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and good evening everybody welcome to

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arcane radio i'm your host sean the fork

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chop forker joined tonight

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by lon strickler and butch wachowski

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it's october already wednesday october

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the 5th 2016.

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lots of things going on in the world we

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live in a major hurricane coming up the

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east coast while people are batting down

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the hatches we're gonna sit here and

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talk about

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some strange phenomena tonight with our

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guests

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tim beckley and claudia cunningham

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joining us of course at 10 30 uh for an

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hour but butch

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lon good evening guys how you doing how

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oh you know i'm doing well well you and

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i ran into each other over the weekend

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yeah that was some running huh it was a

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lot of fun butch and i got together over

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the weekend to

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conduct some preliminary work into an

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active area of north central

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pennsylvania

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or which may turn out to be an active

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area in north central pennsylvania

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a couple gentlemen that live out that

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way both law enforcement

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by day and of course we're going to keep

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their identities under wraps for now

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because well they're good guys we don't

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want to get them in trouble

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uh and their private residences uh live

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less than a mile apart from each other

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and they have some very strange things

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going on some strange sounds

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and but you were out in the area and

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i'll let you give your take uh

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i kind of thought when we were up in

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penfield that that was kind of remote

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very woodsy this makes penfield look

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downtown philadelphia i mean it's

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you can't even see into the wooded areas

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for anything to be stomping around there

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it's just a ripe area i mean you got

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you got water you got streams everywhere

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there's not a whole lot of homes and the

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homes that are there pretty much

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spread out i don't remember how far we

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drove from the one place to the other

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i mean it seemed like that all the way

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up when i got when i got up in that area

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you know there's very little once you

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get out of the main drag and you start

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heading out into the country it's just

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wide open mountains very woodsy very

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but at least we made that contact those

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fellas and

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and you know like everything else

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it's a preliminary investigation and

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we'll see where it goes from there

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we're going to be holding an event at

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one of the local establishments in that

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uh where you guys listeners and anybody

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else will be able to come

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out and share your stories and

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encounters with us we're really looking

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for locals from that area so there'll be

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information posted for it locally

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once we can cement a location and a date

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i think folks going to be happy with

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this i think we're going to be happy

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with this

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butch lawn it's going to be a great

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place to do some future work

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yeah i mean it pans out and you know you

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regular sightings or some decent

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evidence yeah

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i've been all over really i've been kind

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of just focusing on the northern tier of

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pennsylvania because

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nobody else is up here researching this

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stuff and if they are they're being

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pretty darn quiet about it

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and uh it's the reason why we're not

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getting reports from this area

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is up until the last three or four years

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nobody's been collecting it up this way

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you know there's been no real known

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investigators and it's still a very

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conservative part of the state

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so folks don't want to talk about it you

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uh just these aren't the people that are

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inclined to talk about these strange

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phenomenas with just

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anybody and you really have to build a

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relationship with them

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the western half of the state anyway

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um you know that's for anything

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some of the weirdest stuff that i've

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seen or heard about

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is coming in from the middle of the

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state up north to south you know

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right in the middle of state well you

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know the reason people don't want to go

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too far away from their back

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doors no that's it uh you're right yeah

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you're right

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you know for me go ahead i'm sorry i

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mean i used to say it

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i was gonna say that um you know up

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the middle of the state and

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no yeah like you said being conservative

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i mean this state is fairly conservative

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and uh people that are living out in the

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boondocks out in the middle of

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the state you know they see something

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nine times out of ten aren't gonna say

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something

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let's be honest if it wasn't for philly

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in pittsburgh this would be a red state

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no that's true

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trying to be political this is just a

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very conservative part of the state

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and people think whenever pennsylvania

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they think of pittsburgh

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and philadelphia they really don't think

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about everything else in between

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yeah which is just loaded with right it

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even talking about ufos and everything i

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mean people just don't

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say much so you know we had these

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fireballs going through the sky last

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posted about it in in my town

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yeah i mean i i don't think people saw

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uh most most of northern pennsylvania

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well you know just kind of uh enjoyed

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the the pictures wish i could assault

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yeah i mean that was it was a definite

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meter right because it was bright green

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that thing actually

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uh night shift and uh

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man i just happened to see it out over

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the river and the thing

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made a hell of a crack but it was uh

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wild yeah it was insane stuff

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i wish i could i never get to catch this

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i was too busy watching a joke last

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night watching a joke

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oh you're watching the um debate yeah i

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was watching it yeah that was kind of

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lackluster

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yeah you know thank god this isn't a

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oh no with the way skype is tonight i

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feel like michael caine though or

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see how many times i could interrupt

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interrupt blonde tonight yeah

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but you know what what on said is is is

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really true i mean

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there is no investigations in the center

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of the state

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it's either east or west

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and the very few that are in the center

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aren't really much of anything

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no no and to get

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for me to get to a sighting in the east

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or the west i have to drive three and a

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half four hours each way

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yeah well i mean that's what it took for

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me to get to that location this past

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year

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and let me tell you guys he's a trooper

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we started at nine

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i think you got there at eight though

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you were there at eight i got there at

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and uh we left at midnight or no

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actually we left at 1

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yeah butch and butch and troy on their

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so i mean it was a trip and it's not

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that i'm complaining about it i don't

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want folks to think i'm angry or upset

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you know we're getting these reports

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we're not i just wish there were

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more capable people involved handling

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some of these cases

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because let's just be honest there's

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some people out there that are doing

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these cases that aren't worth spent

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yeah and uh it's just causing a

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at least a bad taste of my mouth

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sometimes and folks just don't know who

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to turn to but

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the central part of the states lighten

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up because we're discovering things that

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are happening out here

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we're making an effort to get to these

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folks and we're making an effort to find

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new areas

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to explore that may have some historical

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stuff we haven't found out about yet

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yeah and that and the other thing to get

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people to

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come and talk about their experiences i

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mean i don't know

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of anybody that's ever done anything

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like that in in that area

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not that i'm aware of no not in that

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area uh

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and i think we're going to get some

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stuff from that but moving past our

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weekend excursion and the fun that butch

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and i had ate a lot of bologna and

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cheese and butch knows i like the food

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uh we uh have some more clown stuff

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going on lon

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oh god yeah yeah it's happening again

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it's gonna continue i mean like i was

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telling you they've had a report come

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from retailers that sell costume and

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stuff

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that the clown costume is up about 300

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so and like i also told sean i i'm just

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waiting for something to happen

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and not necessarily one of the clowns

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getting shot but some clown coming to

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somebody's door on halloween and robbing

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the police

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trick or treat i

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you know scare somebody and they scared

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him what the hell

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we said it was only a matter of time

284
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oh boy so what do you got for us what's

285
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going on yeah this uh

286
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i got a few odd things the past week or

287
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so i

288
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um we want to start worth first the dog

289
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man

290
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insectoid or the uh mib let's start with

291
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the insectoid

292
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okay this um

293
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this was something that was called into

294
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coast to coast about

295
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uh a little over a week ago uh a guy by

296
00:10:41,990 --> 00:10:38,000
name a ricky in san diego

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uh he was camping in the uh

298
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in the sequoia national forest out in

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california

300
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i just want to share an experience i had

301
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about two years ago the sequoia national

302
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forest

303
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my sister took my friend and i out there

304
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and we were deep in the forest

305
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far away from civilization we were

306
00:11:02,150 --> 00:11:00,240
having a great time i'm a believer in

307
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the paranormal bigfoot aliens and all

308
00:11:05,110 --> 00:11:03,440
that stuff but

309
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while i was there i never had that

310
00:11:08,389 --> 00:11:06,560
thought

311
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i was there camping with my family

312
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having a good a great time

313
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at nine o'clock everyone decides to go

314
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to sleep my friend and i were left

315
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staring at the bonfire i decided it was

316
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a good time to listen to music so i went

317
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to my

318
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sister's forerunner and i was opening

319
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the back to grab my ipod

320
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and as i opened the back door i heard

321
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something out come out of the tree

322
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it didn't come out of the tree it was it

323
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was almost like

324
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it was holding on and it fell

325
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and i heard this huge thump i could feel

326
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it

327
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and as i i had a flashlight on i looked

328
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over the trees

329
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i heard the falling and when i swear my

330
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life and swear to god honest to god

331
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that i saw a six to seven foot tall

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praying mantis

333
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and as i laid eyes on i completely lost

334
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breath i was completely taken aback

335
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it took a step back and it completely

336
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became completely invisible

337
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i could not believe what i saw i slammed

338
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the door and ran back to the campfire

339
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and i alerted my friend i woke everyone

340
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up and no one

341
00:12:18,150 --> 00:12:16,079
believed me i was really upset because i

342
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knew what i had seen

343
00:12:22,069 --> 00:12:20,160
so that happened and my friend didn't

344
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believe me he was laughing at me and

345
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then all of a sudden i could hear all

346
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these surrounding us

347
00:12:29,750 --> 00:12:28,079
and finally when i brought her to my

348
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friend's attention he kind of put his

349
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ear

350
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finally i was patrolling the campground

351
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with my flashlight

352
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and i could just hear these things

353
00:12:42,949 --> 00:12:40,959
surrounding us and

354
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it hurt like a clicking sound like it

355
00:12:48,790 --> 00:12:44,240
was making you know

356
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like making your uh clicking sounds

357
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when you click on your mouth it was a

358
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really strange i was so scared

359
00:12:57,670 --> 00:12:56,480
well even if you what he's saying is

360
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true

361
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um i you know of course i've had

362
00:13:09,110 --> 00:13:04,880
people report these insectoid i mean

363
00:13:12,150 --> 00:13:09,120
specifically you rip these um

364
00:13:15,030 --> 00:13:12,160
praying menace type beings

365
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and uh in all cases they cloak

366
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themselves or just disappear

367
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now um you know

368
00:13:24,870 --> 00:13:22,720
this very well could be i don't know

369
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what you know he didn't really get much

370
00:13:26,870 --> 00:13:25,200
of this

371
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i don't know how much he saw that just

372
00:13:30,069 --> 00:13:28,399
that height

373
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i mean did it look just like a praying

374
00:13:33,670 --> 00:13:31,519
mass or was it something

375
00:13:39,189 --> 00:13:33,680
you know a little bit odd different i

376
00:13:39,199 --> 00:13:42,389
these mantis men

377
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creepy yeah

378
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well you know this thing you know just

379
00:13:49,829 --> 00:13:48,880
like this thing i had up there in

380
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hackensville

381
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or hackett's town up in new jersey i

382
00:13:56,470 --> 00:13:54,160
mean we got

383
00:13:58,150 --> 00:13:56,480
i had three good sightings up there and

384
00:13:59,590 --> 00:13:58,160
another one as well which i couldn't

385
00:14:03,189 --> 00:13:59,600
verify

386
00:14:05,990 --> 00:14:03,199
but uh you know and this was all within

387
00:14:07,430 --> 00:14:06,000
a half a mile of each other and to the

388
00:14:09,509 --> 00:14:07,440
sightings the ones that were actually

389
00:14:13,110 --> 00:14:09,519
seen on television

390
00:14:16,389 --> 00:14:13,120
on the uh monsters and mysteries

391
00:14:19,670 --> 00:14:16,399
segment or actually like just

392
00:14:22,949 --> 00:14:19,680
a few hundred feet apart so

393
00:14:26,870 --> 00:14:22,959
um and those things disappeared on

394
00:14:28,389 --> 00:14:26,880
the witnesses as well has that program

395
00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:28,399
brought you more sightings of these

396
00:14:31,509 --> 00:14:30,160
insectoid type creatures

397
00:14:34,470 --> 00:14:31,519
no it doesn't seem like you get a whole

398
00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:34,480
lot of them doesn't no no they're rare

399
00:14:38,870 --> 00:14:37,040
they really are rare the only you know

400
00:14:41,590 --> 00:14:38,880
mostly the insectoid

401
00:14:43,990 --> 00:14:41,600
sightings are given to me by people that

402
00:14:46,069 --> 00:14:44,000
have alien abductions

403
00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:46,079
that's where most most of the sightings

404
00:14:48,870 --> 00:14:47,760
are because they have an encounter with

405
00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:48,880
them on

406
00:14:52,230 --> 00:14:50,800
their craft or wherever they take them

407
00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:52,240
to well that's interesting

408
00:14:57,189 --> 00:14:55,600
interesting it's so i mean they're a

409
00:14:57,990 --> 00:14:57,199
high they are what they consider a

410
00:15:01,110 --> 00:14:58,000
higher order

411
00:15:01,910 --> 00:15:01,120
being now you know i don't i don't know

412
00:15:04,550 --> 00:15:01,920
what names they

413
00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:04,560
to really use for them or what but you

414
00:15:06,550 --> 00:15:05,040
know

415
00:15:08,710 --> 00:15:06,560
they're they're considered a higher

416
00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:08,720
order being just like reptilians though

417
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:08,959
i

418
00:15:14,389 --> 00:15:12,399
some research

419
00:15:15,509 --> 00:15:14,399
researchers have told me to talk to

420
00:15:18,949 --> 00:15:15,519
others

421
00:15:19,430 --> 00:15:18,959
the the mantis beings are the highest

422
00:15:23,350 --> 00:15:19,440
order

423
00:15:25,269 --> 00:15:23,360
of them all now i don't know if

424
00:15:27,590 --> 00:15:25,279
what they are it seems like the

425
00:15:31,110 --> 00:15:27,600
reptilian species

426
00:15:33,670 --> 00:15:31,120
are like the overlords and you know

427
00:15:34,710 --> 00:15:33,680
the mantis are almost like a royal type

428
00:15:36,389 --> 00:15:34,720
thing

429
00:15:38,069 --> 00:15:36,399
i mean that's just that's just what

430
00:15:40,150 --> 00:15:38,079
people say uh

431
00:15:41,509 --> 00:15:40,160
experiencers have said and have

432
00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:41,519
described

433
00:15:46,550 --> 00:15:44,880
so the fact that we're seeing them

434
00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:46,560
terrestrial wise i don't know i don't

435
00:15:53,670 --> 00:15:52,150
i mean it's i'm not saying that they're

436
00:15:55,509 --> 00:15:53,680
actually oh yeah they could be anything

437
00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:55,519
but quite honest with you i mean

438
00:15:58,710 --> 00:15:58,000
maybe it's another question yeah maybe

439
00:16:01,749 --> 00:15:58,720
it's another crypt

440
00:16:02,310 --> 00:16:01,759
or something i don't know who knows who

441
00:16:03,749 --> 00:16:02,320
knows

442
00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:03,759
and that's why we take these reports

443
00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:05,440
when we talk about them because

444
00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:07,440
strange [\h__\h] really goes on out there

445
00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:09,040
you see giant mantises

446
00:16:15,670 --> 00:16:13,040
these i don't know i i

447
00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:15,680
you know you don't know because if you

448
00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:17,440
knew i wouldn't be saying you know

449
00:16:22,790 --> 00:16:21,199
but yeah i i feel like like damn there's

450
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:22,800
an awful lot of alien

451
00:16:27,749 --> 00:16:25,759
contact out there that i'm just really

452
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:27,759
ignorant to i don't follow the alien

453
00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:29,279
stuff unless you talk about it very much

454
00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:31,680
just being completely transparent

455
00:16:35,509 --> 00:16:34,720
i uh i don't follow it too much and it

456
00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:35,519
yeah

457
00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:37,040
is frightening and maybe that's why i

458
00:16:40,470 --> 00:16:38,720
don't i don't want to test my fate

459
00:16:43,189 --> 00:16:40,480
well you know i never really got into a

460
00:16:44,550 --> 00:16:43,199
lot of that either i mean you know i

461
00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:44,560
all the years i hadn't been

462
00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:46,800
investigating i never really thought

463
00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:48,480
much about it

464
00:16:52,230 --> 00:16:51,040
you know i mean david eckert in his

465
00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:52,240
situation

466
00:16:56,230 --> 00:16:54,000
really got me looking into it and that's

467
00:16:59,110 --> 00:16:56,240
been what about

468
00:17:00,230 --> 00:16:59,120
i don't know eight ten years ago now so

469
00:17:03,110 --> 00:17:00,240
since that time

470
00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:03,120
you know and by luck people have been

471
00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:04,720
have contacted me about

472
00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:08,480
it and through other things i've done uh

473
00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:11,520
you know but you know people it's gotten

474
00:17:14,470 --> 00:17:12,880
to the point just like anything else

475
00:17:17,189 --> 00:17:14,480
people aren't afraid to talk about it

476
00:17:19,750 --> 00:17:17,199
like they used to be and you know quite

477
00:17:21,429 --> 00:17:19,760
frankly if you got something

478
00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:21,439
that looks like a stick person walking

479
00:17:24,470 --> 00:17:23,120
out in your backyard

480
00:17:27,189 --> 00:17:24,480
you're not gonna really say a whole lot

481
00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:27,199
to people well yeah people aren't afraid

482
00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:28,640
to talk about it i got people that

483
00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:30,320
listen to my show that actually come up

484
00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:33,120
to my actual place of employment

485
00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:34,960
and talk to me about aliens that they're

486
00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:36,880
observing in their concrete patios

487
00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:39,520
and i said in their concrete patios not

488
00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:40,400
on them

489
00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:42,960
in them extraterrestrials that live in

490
00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:44,320
concrete

491
00:17:47,830 --> 00:17:46,559
so i don't know what the hell's going on

492
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:47,840
in this crazy world we live and of

493
00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:49,360
course i just try to be nice but these

494
00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:50,880
people will talk to you about anything

495
00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:57,430
well what do you want mib or a dog man

496
00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:58,480
down virginia

497
00:18:02,150 --> 00:18:00,160
well let's do dog man because you know

498
00:18:04,710 --> 00:18:02,160
we have a uh preferred place in our

499
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:04,720
hearts for the uh that canine

500
00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:07,760
companion okay this was uh something

501
00:18:12,789 --> 00:18:09,360
that happened

502
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:12,799
uh back in july uh down

503
00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:15,360
on the uh virginia peninsula not far

504
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:17,679
actually not far from williamsburg

505
00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:21,360
um i like i'd like to know your opinion

506
00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:23,600
on something i saw in july this year i

507
00:18:27,029 --> 00:18:25,120
was driving home

508
00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:27,039
during early evening from williamsburg

509
00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:28,799
virginia on us 64

510
00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:32,400
west towards richmond about a mile past

511
00:18:36,070 --> 00:18:35,200
route 607 overpass i saw something ahead

512
00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:36,080
of me

513
00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:39,679
on the right the best i can describe it

514
00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:42,720
is it looked like a huge black dog

515
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:45,600
standing on its back legs off the

516
00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:48,080
shoulder at the edge of the woods

517
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:50,160
i slowed up because the person in front

518
00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:52,960
of me was looking at it as well

519
00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:56,400
there's no doubt that that is what

520
00:19:02,310 --> 00:18:59,600
it was there as i drove by

521
00:19:02,710 --> 00:19:02,320
the beast just disappeared it was so

522
00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:02,720
quick

523
00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:04,799
though i suppose it could have stepped

524
00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:06,320
back into the woods

525
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:08,720
i was in shock i believe i flashed my

526
00:19:12,070 --> 00:19:10,480
headlights in order to draw attention to

527
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:12,080
the driver

528
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:14,880
uh i believe it was a woman that was in

529
00:19:19,029 --> 00:19:16,320
front of her

530
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:19,039
and to possibly pull over so i could ask

531
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:20,160
her what she saw

532
00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:23,760
she sped up continued on her way so

533
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:25,520
i know for a fact that others on the

534
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:27,600
highway had seen it

535
00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:30,480
now it looked to be at least seven foot

536
00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:31,440
tall

537
00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:33,600
and a huge head like that of a german

538
00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:35,039
shepherd

539
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:36,960
all the hair was black the body was

540
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:38,799
tapered at the torso

541
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:41,360
like what you see in the werewolf movies

542
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:43,200
and he put in here i didn't believe i

543
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:46,640
don't believe in werewolves by the way

544
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:49,440
i didn't really notice much below the

545
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:50,960
waist since

546
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:53,120
much of it was hidden by tall weeds can

547
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:55,600
we talk guys named marv

548
00:19:59,590 --> 00:19:58,000
so i tried to call marv a couple times i

549
00:20:02,470 --> 00:19:59,600
did get a hold of him

550
00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:02,480
and uh you know after leaving voice

551
00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:04,159
message he finally called me

552
00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:07,760
this past sunday night and

553
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:09,520
he asked me what i thought it was and i

554
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:11,120
told him you know about the sightings of

555
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:13,280
pa that we've been having

556
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:15,360
and uh he said he heard of bigfoot

557
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:17,520
activity on the peninsula before

558
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:19,120
but nothing to do with anything like

559
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:20,880
that

560
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:23,919
he uh he said he did contact two other

561
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:26,400
investigators but they didn't get back

562
00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:28,159
to him

563
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:29,919
uh he isn't from there he actually lives

564
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:31,840
in roanoke and virginia which is further

565
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:32,880
west

566
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:35,919
he also said that he attempted to get a

567
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:38,559
photo of it while slowing down

568
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:40,720
but wasn't successful he doubled back at

569
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:43,440
the next turn off and came back around

570
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:47,120
but never caught another glimpse

571
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,440
he insisted that the head looked like a

572
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:51,600
german shepherd not a wolf

573
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:53,760
but the body resembled werewolves seen

574
00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:55,840
in modern horror films

575
00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:58,000
said the ears were long and stood

576
00:21:02,310 --> 00:20:59,360
straight up

577
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:02,320
the snout and face were streamlined he

578
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:03,919
didn't notice the tail

579
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,720
this description is not similar to most

580
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:08,400
of what we've got in pa

581
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:11,200
um because most of witness that's you

582
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:13,120
know state the creatures

583
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:17,120
are more wolf-like and the odds way

584
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:20,080
this particular sighting reminds me more

585
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:20,480
of

586
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:24,000
the dogmen that are being seen up in uh

587
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:26,480
up the upper midwest or what linda has

588
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:30,320
been reporting for years so you know i

589
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:31,440
don't know if it's different what we've

590
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:32,799
been seeing around here

591
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:35,919
but i haven't heard of one where anybody

592
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:45,669
so that's all that that's uh

593
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:47,440
that's what stood out for me is it

594
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:49,200
looked like a german shepherd had a very

595
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:51,600
tapered waist and looked like a

596
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:55,200
wolf werewolf from the movies

597
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:57,840
it just i mean it just doesn't seem like

598
00:22:01,669 --> 00:22:00,080
it was as robust as some of the other

599
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:01,679
ones we've talked about

600
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:05,520
i don't know i mean he uh

601
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:07,760
he he said that you know the waist was

602
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:08,799
thin and

603
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:11,280
you know top of the body was big like we

604
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:12,960
get in a lot of these reports

605
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:16,400
but he said the head itself was like

606
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:18,320
i know if you look at a german shepherd

607
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:19,760
it's got like a long snout in the

608
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,159
tapered head with long ears

609
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:25,280
and uh he said that's what it looked

610
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:26,080
like and it was

611
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:29,760
all black i said did you notice anything

612
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:32,880
with the eyes and he said no

613
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:37,200
no i don't know what the hell you saw

614
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:38,799
but apparently some other people saw it

615
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:40,400
on the road because you said people are

616
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,440
slowing down

617
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,520
even on the other side of the road so

618
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:45,200
the woman that was in front of him

619
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:48,240
she saw it but wouldn't stop him

620
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,470
so i don't know what he saw what do you

621
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:56,240
think butch i think these folks are

622
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:58,159
seeing something out there

623
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,640
yeah just just yeah i haven't had

624
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:02,080
virginia

625
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:05,520
yeah too many reports yeah

626
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:09,440
and they're too similar so

627
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,390
yeah we gotta figure out something

628
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:18,480
because it's

629
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,720
well maybe our guest and i can help i

630
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:22,559
mean um

631
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:26,000
you know this book that they wrote

632
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:28,000
and actually butch is in the book as

633
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:29,919
well but they've got a

634
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,240
some vignettes and some stuff and some

635
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,640
other writings from other

636
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:36,559
researchers in particular dogman

637
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,080
researchers and people that have dealt

638
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:40,240
with these type of cryptids

639
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:47,029
maybe they'll have some answers for it

640
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,799
excellent well what else do we have you

641
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:50,320
said you had a man in black store so we

642
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:52,080
just got a couple minutes here yet

643
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:56,159
yeah we'll get that next time okay okay

644
00:24:02,710 --> 00:23:59,200
we'll go ahead and anything short now

645
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,720
let's just go ahead and uh introduce our

646
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,799
guests and go ahead and bring them all

647
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:06,880
all right you want to do the intro you

648
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:09,200
want me to do the intro

649
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:11,600
tim beckley who is known as mr ufo and

650
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:13,120
claudia cunningham

651
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:16,000
who is known as the mib lady our

652
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:17,440
longtime anomaly

653
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,520
14 researchers who have concentrated on

654
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,080
the apology and related phenomenon

655
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:24,240
now tim recently published cryptic

656
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:26,559
creatures from dark domains

657
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:29,840
dogmen devil hounds phantom canines and

658
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:32,000
real werewolves

659
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,520
which includes chapters written by

660
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:35,520
various cryptid and ufology

661
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,840
investigators and writers the book

662
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:39,520
offers a wide array of supernatural

663
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:40,799
phenomena and possible connections

664
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:42,320
between cryptids

665
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:46,240
and ufos so in a minute we'll be back

666
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:48,080
and uh we'll have tim beckley and

667
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:51,520
claudia cunningham on with us

668
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,120
and good evening folks welcome back

669
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,960
arcane radio i'm shawn the fork chop

670
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:56,240
forker joined with

671
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,960
butch wachowski and lon strickler and

672
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:00,799
our special guest tonight

673
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:02,799
tim beckley and miss claudia we're going

674
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:04,400
to be talking about some

675
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,880
very strange happenings so guys thanks

676
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,480
for joining us tonight

677
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,039
uh i got a copy of your book right here

678
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:13,600
cryptid creatures from dark domains

679
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:16,559
and i'm excited to let's get to it good

680
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:18,559
and uh butch how are you this evening

681
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:20,320
i'm fine tim how are you doing son uh

682
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,559
hanging in here hanging in here with

683
00:25:24,940 --> 00:25:24,640
all kinds of craziness and sounds in my

684
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:24,950
ear

685
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:33,350
and we're ready to go deep into the

686
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,029
i'm ready well apparently

687
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,880
in the book you're seeing the devil

688
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,480
butch as i'm looking at you right here

689
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:44,400
this lovely photograph that i also use

690
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:45,840
of butch witkowski

691
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:48,400
uh in the book on page seven so let's

692
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:49,360
start from the top

693
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,960
tim our listeners might not be too

694
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:52,240
familiar with you and if they are

695
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:53,840
fantastic but i'm not tell me a little

696
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,600
bit about yourself and claudia

697
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,679
will do the same for you oh boy you got

698
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:00,000
an hour of discussion right there

699
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:03,520
well let me see um i got

700
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,679
involved in all of this well the house i

701
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:06,960
was raised in

702
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:10,000
had um poltergeist phenomena you know

703
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:12,080
lights going on and often doors opening

704
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:13,919
and uh closing

705
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,799
and uh at one point uh people were even

706
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:18,720
hearing the sound of a baby

707
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:22,400
uh crying um in the in the house there

708
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,960
and we

709
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,880
we found out later on that there had

710
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:26,320
been a um

711
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:29,440
i guess a uh an epidemic like typhoid

712
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:30,559
epidemic

713
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:33,600
right after world war one

714
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,640
and there was a uh a woman who had

715
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:38,720
given them birth to a baby and died

716
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,159
within a couple of days

717
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:41,919
and they had awake with both of them in

718
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:43,279
the same coffin so

719
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:44,880
we assume if one believes in the

720
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:47,760
paranormal uh aspect of uh

721
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:50,720
ghosts and so forth spirits uh that this

722
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:51,520
might have been

723
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:53,600
them uh coming back or haunting of the

724
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:54,880
place but

725
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:57,279
perhaps the most relevant thing was uh

726
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:58,080
when i was

727
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:00,880
10 years old i had the first of three

728
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:02,960
ufo sightings

729
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,919
and ufos i guess are really what's kept

730
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:07,360
me uh going

731
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:11,360
uh over uh all these years you know i'm

732
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:14,400
probably uh have more i have a small

733
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,919
publishing company called interlight

734
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:17,520
global communications

735
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:20,640
we have about 250 books published over a

736
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,279
period of almost half a century

737
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:26,080
uh authors like brad steiger t lump

738
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:27,039
synchrompa

739
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:30,480
sean castille myself and a

740
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:33,600
multitude of others and

741
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:36,640
we have a youtube channel which is uh

742
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,760
mr ufo secret file our own weekly

743
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:40,799
podcast

744
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:44,720
uh which is um uh exploring the bazaar

745
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:45,919
and kcr

746
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:49,039
radio i organized some of the first

747
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,320
ufo conferences around the country

748
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,480
and have a bit involved in putting out

749
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,000
many many ufo

750
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,559
journals and magazines which sold on the

751
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,080
newsstand

752
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:03,440
but going back to 1957 i was 10 years

753
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:04,720
old at the time

754
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:07,200
and we were in the middle of a summer

755
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:08,559
ufo

756
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:15,840
now uh we were seated on the front porch

757
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:17,279
i was seated on the front porch of my

758
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,000
parents home

759
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,799
in new jersey which was pretty common

760
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:22,320
because you just kind of stayed outside

761
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:24,640
until it cooled off no air conditioners

762
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:27,600
uh in those days and someone came

763
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:28,640
running up to

764
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:32,559
where we were seated and pointed out

765
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:35,679
two objects in the sky one was across

766
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:37,600
the street over an abandoned factory

767
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:38,559
building

768
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:41,120
and one was right above the uh the house

769
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:43,440
where i was living with my parents

770
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:46,240
and these things circled in the sky for

771
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:48,559
oh 15 or 20 minutes and then the one

772
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,840
across the street

773
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,520
just blinked out like somebody had

774
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:54,000
pulled the uh the light switch

775
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:55,520
and the other one continued to circle

776
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:57,760
overhead for a period of time

777
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:01,760
now this kind of wetted my curiosity

778
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,399
and the next day or the following day

779
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,240
there was an item in the paper

780
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,240
that other people had witnessed this but

781
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:09,919
the authorities were saying

782
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:11,919
that it was nothing more unconventional

783
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:13,840
than a weather balloon

784
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:16,720
well fellows even at the age of 10 i

785
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:18,399
knew that this was something that seemed

786
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:18,880
to be

787
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:22,320
under uh in intelligent control

788
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,080
it wasn't something that was bobbing and

789
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:26,320
weaving with the wooden current or

790
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:29,760
anything like that so i wrote a letter

791
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:31,120
to the local newspaper and they

792
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,320
published it

793
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:34,320
and i asked for people to share their

794
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:35,840
sightings and all with me

795
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:39,120
and they started mailing me in

796
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:40,960
the reports and calling on the the

797
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,880
telephone and i started putting out a

798
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,240
little newsletter

799
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,880
uh started out printing 75 copies of the

800
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:48,720
first issue

801
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:52,559
it was 10 pages long by time i

802
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:55,679
gave it over to a larger publisher

803
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:59,520
it was 50 pages long and we had 1500

804
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,480
subscribers

805
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:03,039
which in those days was was quite a bit

806
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:03,679
in fact

807
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:07,039
we had as many subscribers as apro

808
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:09,120
which was the second largest ufo group

809
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,240
had had

810
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,240
members so i've i've traveled all over

811
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:14,320
the world investigating ufos talking to

812
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:14,880
people

813
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:17,200
who have had uh experiences on the

814
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,320
subject

815
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,320
some people may think i have a rather

816
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,399
radical viewpoint on this

817
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:24,720
and and my viewpoints are subject to

818
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:25,760
change

819
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:28,799
uh you know over over time i i guess

820
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:30,080
when i first started out

821
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,279
uh my concept were that these were

822
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:35,440
all are mostly all extraterrestrial in

823
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,320
origin

824
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:39,120
i tend to discredit that theory today to

825
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:40,240
a uh

826
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:43,360
to an extent i think that some of these

827
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:46,559
objects are made right here on earth

828
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:49,520
advanced technology perhaps a part of a

829
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:50,240
secret

830
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:53,360
space program or a program that was

831
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:56,799
started in affiliation with the nazi

832
00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:59,200
german scientists that came over here

833
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,720
after world war ii under the auspices of

834
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,559
project paper clip

835
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:06,480
and i think that a lot of the early ufo

836
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:07,919
sightings at least

837
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,720
were covered up by the government

838
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:12,000
because uh

839
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:15,600
because they didn't want us uso citizens

840
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,679
us citizens to know that they were in

841
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:19,760
collaboration with uh

842
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:26,389
and and that's kind of in a nutshell my

843
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,279
my background

844
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:28,880
and like i say i've traveled all over

845
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:30,559
the world i um

846
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:34,720
spoke at the um uh house of lords uh

847
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:37,360
in england they had a ufo uh group they

848
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,840
were

849
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,760
uh way ahead of everybody else on

850
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:40,960
disclosure

851
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:43,840
uh in the early 1980s i was invited over

852
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:44,720
by my friend

853
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:47,679
uh the earl of eighth earl of clan cardi

854
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:49,360
brinsley laporte trench

855
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:52,320
and he was a member of the house of

856
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:53,840
lords and he had this

857
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:57,519
ufo group and they were trying to get

858
00:32:01,430 --> 00:32:00,159
her majesty to release their findings on

859
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,440
ufos uh

860
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:03,600
of course they were maybe about 25 or 30

861
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:05,519
years too early but

862
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,960
eventually of course a lot of those

863
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:08,720
reports were released

864
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:10,640
and i continue my investigation and my

865
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,799
publishing today and

866
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:14,000
even though i'm supposed to be

867
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,000
semi-retired i'm probably more active

868
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,549
you know not everybody can say they've

869
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,799
been invited to speak by an earl

870
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:24,799
that is true that is true i think there

871
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:27,200
were only two people from the united

872
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:28,080
states

873
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:31,279
and maybe nine or ten um

874
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:35,279
other investigators uh all together

875
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:36,799
the the group met like i say

876
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:39,279
unofficially maybe once every other

877
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,799
month or so

878
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:43,120
i think they had about uh a hundred

879
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:44,399
members

880
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,159
from both the house of lords and

881
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:48,720
parliament uh some of whom were not even

882
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:49,760
believers

883
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:52,240
uh but you know even the united nations

884
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:53,200
here

885
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:56,720
uh for many years had an unofficial

886
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:59,760
ufo group i i don't believe it's uh uh

887
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:00,559
active then

888
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,200
yeah yeah active any longer but there

889
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:05,360
was a meeting hall

890
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:07,039
you uh across the street because i

891
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,480
remember one time

892
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:10,799
somebody rented it for a wedding it was

893
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,880
the you know like a u.n

894
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:14,799
reception hall or something and they had

895
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:17,039
the they had meeting rooms and so if you

896
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:17,840
were

897
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,120
uh you know involved in the uh un

898
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:23,360
uh in in some function and of course if

899
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:24,640
thousands of

900
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,960
employees from all over the world you

901
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,799
could have your own group so i'm sure

902
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:30,000
they had every group that you could

903
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:31,200
think of under the sun

904
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,799
but they had a paranormal group and they

905
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,399
had a ufo group and

906
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:36,159
and they invited speakers to come in it

907
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:37,840
did not necessarily mean that they

908
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:39,200
endorsed them

909
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:40,960
it certainly was not sanctioned by the

910
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,399
world body itself

911
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,399
but they did exchange information on

912
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:46,159
this and some were more interested

913
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:49,919
than others interesting

914
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:53,440
um claudia um

915
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:56,000
they you're known as the mib lady now

916
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:57,679
how did that start

917
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:01,440
well you know let me just say

918
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:03,279
i've always been interested in the

919
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:04,880
unknown because it's so much more

920
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:07,360
exciting than the dull material world

921
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,079
and even as a little child i would have

922
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:12,159
pajama parties for my little friends and

923
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:13,040
i would

924
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,639
off the cuff just tell them these

925
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:16,480
stories to scare them to death and i'd

926
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:17,839
get in trouble

927
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,320
and i always believed a monster lived in

928
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:22,480
my closet like a lot of little kids do

929
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:25,599
but doesn't it well i think it did yeah

930
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:26,960
i really do i think

931
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,919
uh that's the story for another day uh i

932
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:31,200
have had two ufo

933
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:34,079
sightings i've had what they call an old

934
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,760
hag experience where

935
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:37,599
something will attack you during the

936
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:38,800
night

937
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:41,520
actually i had two of those but as i got

938
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,240
older

939
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,639
uh and kind of more mature but not that

940
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:46,240
much more mature

941
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:48,879
my interest kind of turned uh to life

942
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:49,760
after death

943
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:52,320
why are we here why you know what is it

944
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:54,560
what's it all about alfie you know

945
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:58,480
uh why why does why do bad things happen

946
00:35:02,550 --> 00:34:59,839
to good people

947
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,560
uh so i've always been um kind of an

948
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,480
investigator

949
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:07,040
not professionally but i started out as

950
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,720
just somebody who had a whole lot of

951
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:10,000
questions

952
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:12,160
and it took me into some very strange

953
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:13,440
terrain

954
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:17,040
but what happened in 2009 was a friend

955
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,000
of mine

956
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:20,400
who is a nurse at the local veterans

957
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:21,359
hospital

958
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,839
in albany new york where i live which is

959
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:25,680
about 160 miles

960
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,640
north of tim's hometown in manhattan

961
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,720
halfway between new york city and

962
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,119
montreal

963
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,520
she called me one day and she said you

964
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:37,200
know you're probably one of the crazier

965
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,720
people i know

966
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,640
and you're probably the only person i

967
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:42,960
could tell this to who won't laugh at me

968
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:45,760
but she said i went to the albany rural

969
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:47,119
cemetery

970
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:49,599
on a beautiful afternoon last week and

971
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:51,040
she said what happened to me

972
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,839
was so shocking and she said i don't

973
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:54,960
know what to do about it

974
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,880
so i kind of helped her through it but

975
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:58,240
she actually saw

976
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:01,920
a black suv who that literally came out

977
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:03,760
of nowhere when she was parked

978
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:07,040
over off of this uh dirt road

979
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:10,079
and it was like so far so close to the

980
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:11,520
back of her car

981
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,200
she said and this is a quote it could

982
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:14,960
have been in my back seat it just came

983
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:16,160
out of nowhere

984
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:18,800
completely black uh looked like it was

985
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,200
just

986
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,839
rolled out of the showroom huge big

987
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,359
black tires everything

988
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,200
tinted windows and she said oh my

989
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:27,280
heavens you know i'm gonna be attacked

990
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,680
or robbed or worse

991
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,160
so she said um then i got kind of mad

992
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,160
you know why are they doing this to me

993
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:36,079
so she kind of inched up a little bit

994
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:37,440
and she's looking in the mirror

995
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:40,800
the whole time and instead of you know

996
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,520
the vehicle trying to you know keep pace

997
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:45,359
with her it kind of turned around and

998
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,000
went down

999
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:49,200
a side road so she said i was

1000
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,040
really mad i had to find out who that

1001
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,359
was so she followed it

1002
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:55,280
and when she got to the point where she

1003
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:56,400
saw it take a right

1004
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,240
down the hill there was nothing there

1005
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:00,400
but a chain-link fence

1006
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:03,359
with a lot of graves on the other side

1007
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,560
so she turned around

1008
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:06,960
and went out the way that she came in

1009
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,000
which was a big

1010
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,160
black macadam road as you come into this

1011
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,160
huge old cemetery it looks like

1012
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,320
something out of a monster movie

1013
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:16,560
and here in the middle of the macadam

1014
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:18,320
road was a black

1015
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:21,520
this black suv with a man in black

1016
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:24,240
he had black wrap around sunglasses all

1017
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:25,599
in black

1018
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:27,920
she said it looked like his clothes just

1019
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,800
came out of a

1020
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:30,480
you know from macy's a brand new

1021
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:33,359
clothing uh black

1022
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:35,119
patent leather shoes everything black

1023
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:36,480
even black hair

1024
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,920
and she said i looked at him and he gave

1025
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,000
me the creepiest smile

1026
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:42,160
and she said as i pushed nick you know

1027
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:43,200
beyond this

1028
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:45,200
vehicle i looked in the mirror and it

1029
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:47,680
completely blinked out

1030
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:51,440
so that got me investigating the whole

1031
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,839
subject of men in black and what i found

1032
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:55,359
was that the cemetery

1033
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:58,560
is a virtual disneyland of paranormal

1034
00:38:02,550 --> 00:37:59,760
activity

1035
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:02,560
and three months later i had my own man

1036
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,000
in black experience

1037
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:06,480
at a shopping center in a little town

1038
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,320
called del mar new york

1039
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:10,400
i had my late mother and my dog in the

1040
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:11,520
car with me

1041
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:13,280
and i went into the dollar store and i

1042
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,560
left them in the car

1043
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,560
and of course i was all psyched up over

1044
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,400
this linda thing because i had i had

1045
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,920
read tim beckley's

1046
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:22,000
excellent book on the men in black you

1047
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,240
know several years before

1048
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:26,560
and i thought you know this sounds like

1049
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:27,760
one of these guys that

1050
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:31,359
tim wrote about so i pull up i went in

1051
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:33,200
got my purchase got back in the car

1052
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:35,839
and this little creepy man came out of

1053
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:36,640
the back

1054
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:39,920
um kind of like from the parking lot and

1055
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:42,000
there was a big black van parked next to

1056
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:44,079
the car and i said to my mother gee that

1057
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:45,599
that looks like something one of those

1058
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:48,079
men that linda saw might drive

1059
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,200
well this little guy with a pork pie hat

1060
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,000
like something out of a 1940s crime

1061
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:56,160
movie you know the like the fedora

1062
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,520
type hat all in black

1063
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:01,200
he stuck his head in the window and he

1064
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:02,720
said hello

1065
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:05,200
like just oh my god and then he walked

1066
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,560
in front of the car

1067
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,560
took a couple of steps turned around and

1068
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,400
kind of put his glasses down and looked

1069
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:12,000
over the top of his glasses

1070
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:14,560
and it was the creepiest look i've ever

1071
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:15,760
seen in my life

1072
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:18,320
he did not belong there he he came out

1073
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:19,599
of nowhere

1074
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,640
uh it might that town is loaded with

1075
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:25,040
uh i call them it's like a yuppie haven

1076
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:25,839
you know little

1077
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:28,160
you know very normal looking people this

1078
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:29,920
guy did not fit there

1079
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,480
and i always regretted not following him

1080
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:34,320
because he did not look right he just

1081
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:35,599
did not

1082
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:39,119
and um so i i wrote a letter i emailed

1083
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,240
tim beckley

1084
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,480
who has been kind of a hero to me since

1085
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:44,640
maybe the early 70s when i started to

1086
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,119
get

1087
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,280
some of his publications because i

1088
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:49,040
remembered the book that i had about the

1089
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,400
men in black

1090
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,720
and i i wanted to know what he thought

1091
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:54,560
of all this crazy stuff

1092
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:57,920
and uh he liked my letter and he

1093
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:00,560
asked me to go on coast to coast am with

1094
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:02,800
george nori and tell my tale

1095
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:05,200
and that kind of kicked off a nice

1096
00:40:08,829 --> 00:40:06,800
friendship with tim he's come up to

1097
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:08,839
albany several times we've gone to the

1098
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:11,280
cemetery shot footage

1099
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,800
and lo and behold i found out that

1100
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,640
charles fort the father of the

1101
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,240
paranormal movement

1102
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:20,480
in america is buried there so that

1103
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:22,560
really blew my mind

1104
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:25,520
so uh that's how i kind of got into all

1105
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:26,720
this craziness

1106
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:29,280
and um i've been um on the road of the

1107
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,309
that's all i i tell you i read your

1108
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,240
account about the

1109
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,800
albany rural cemetery i didn't realize

1110
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:40,560
the place was that big

1111
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:43,920
but some of the stuff that goes on there

1112
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:46,480
is pretty interesting i uh i saw the

1113
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,200
videos

1114
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:49,599
and uh then i read you know i read your

1115
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:52,000
segment in the book

1116
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,880
very interesting i i i i am definitely

1117
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:56,240
going to make a stop

1118
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:58,880
if i ever go up there because uh you

1119
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:59,680
know i know

1120
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:01,119
you know i actually knew that chester

1121
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:02,800
author's buried there but i

1122
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,359
knew that charles fort was buried there

1123
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:09,200
they're within they're within a stone's

1124
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:10,800
throw almost

1125
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,400
are they not too far not too far away

1126
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,880
because i know in fact the the entire uh

1127
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:17,920
charles ford

1128
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:21,280
family is uh buried there

1129
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,960
i guess most people or a lot of people

1130
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:24,720
were under the impression

1131
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:27,359
that he lived in britain but he did a

1132
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,920
party

1133
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:30,000
he spent part of his life there but his

1134
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,040
family uh

1135
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:33,040
claudia am i correct was from the albany

1136
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:34,240
area yes

1137
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:37,599
yes he was born in albany yeah and there

1138
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:37,920
are

1139
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:40,960
nine i believe uh tombstones

1140
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:44,160
representing members of his his family

1141
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:45,920
but some of the things that have

1142
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:47,680
happened there of course

1143
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,960
we're all interested in the cryptids

1144
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,520
uh have been pretty uh bizarre i mean

1145
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:55,280
how many sightings of these uh

1146
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:56,640
hellhounds do you think have been made

1147
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,400
there uh well

1148
00:42:02,230 --> 00:42:00,960
well okay what i found through some

1149
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:02,240
investigation and one

1150
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,319
uh my niece who is also very interested

1151
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,839
in this stuff when she was going to

1152
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,520
college she took the bus

1153
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:09,520
up to hudson valley community college

1154
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:10,800
and every morning

1155
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:13,119
there would be a young guy on the bus

1156
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:14,880
and they kind of became friends

1157
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:18,160
and he was the uh caretaker and albany

1158
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:19,680
rural and he actually opened up the

1159
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:20,560
cemetery

1160
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:23,200
in the morning before dawn actually and

1161
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:23,680
she said

1162
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,760
oh my god how aren't you afraid to go in

1163
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:27,040
there and he goes no

1164
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:28,720
he said as a matter of fact i see a

1165
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,240
ghost every other day and

1166
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:32,160
so i mean she was floored she said what

1167
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,359
do you mean

1168
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:35,280
and he said well i'll go in i'll open up

1169
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,640
the gates and

1170
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:38,880
i'll be you know taking the flowers off

1171
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:39,760
the graves or

1172
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:42,720
mowing or whatever and all of a sudden i

1173
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,599
know when she

1174
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:45,520
is going to appear and she he says i

1175
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:47,119
turn around and here's this little old

1176
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:48,880
lady all in black

1177
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:50,960
and she walks right past him within like

1178
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:52,640
five feet and she just

1179
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,560
very quietly nods and she says good

1180
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,560
morning and he'll say good morning and

1181
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:58,800
he'll turn around and she'll be gone

1182
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:01,599
so that that's one thing but um there

1183
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:02,720
are reports

1184
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:06,319
even to this day as i am now finding out

1185
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:10,000
that um if it's usually at dusk

1186
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:12,319
and now um albany rural like i said is

1187
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,680
like uh um

1188
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:15,839
going to disneyland on acid if you're in

1189
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,920
the uh it's it's just completely crazy

1190
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:19,920
in there a lot of activity

1191
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:22,960
but uh when people are walking their dog

1192
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:25,520
uh down this macadam road which is the

1193
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,000
main road

1194
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:28,560
into the cemetery and it's it's huge it

1195
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:31,359
really is it goes back to the 1600s

1196
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:34,000
um they'll the lights go on they have

1197
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:34,880
street lights

1198
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,839
in the cemetery and the main road and

1199
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:39,280
they'll be walking their dog and this

1200
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:41,119
one lady had a little poodle

1201
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,880
and all of a sudden out the corner of

1202
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,240
her eye she'll see this

1203
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:47,280
huge dog bigger than a great dane

1204
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:50,240
and it's all black it has a red cast to

1205
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:50,480
his

1206
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:53,119
eye and it'll pace the people all the

1207
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:54,720
way until they leave it doesn't do

1208
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:55,839
anything it just

1209
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,440
looks at them and the dog the people who

1210
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,880
have the dogs on the leash

1211
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:03,040
they don't react which is really weird

1212
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:06,079
to me because you hear about animals

1213
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:09,359
sensing the paranormal they sense

1214
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:11,599
the spirit world they they growl they

1215
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:12,880
cower they

1216
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:15,760
they uh crawl under the bed but nothing

1217
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:17,920
uh and that vein happens

1218
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:20,640
so this is going on even right now

1219
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:21,520
another thing

1220
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:24,960
uh back in 1809 uh the

1221
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:28,000
uh this cemetery is located in a little

1222
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:30,079
town called mananz new york which is

1223
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,040
like two miles

1224
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:33,680
out of uh albany proper out of the city

1225
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,720
of albany

1226
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,800
and right below manan's is another

1227
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:38,000
little town called

1228
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:41,359
water of elite and uh apparently back in

1229
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:42,640
the 1800s

1230
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,400
a man was um on a kind of a buck board

1231
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,800
like a you know a wagon with a horse

1232
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:50,720
and the horse got spooked and he started

1233
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:52,880
to run down broadway in the direction of

1234
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:55,119
the cemetery the man jumped off

1235
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:57,280
and the horse ran into the cemetery and

1236
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:58,960
crashed into the home

1237
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,760
of the superintendent who had a little

1238
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:03,359
cottage there

1239
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:06,960
and died it was killed and for

1240
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:09,040
even up until now on certain nights of

1241
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,079
the week of the year

1242
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:12,560
people see this horse walking around the

1243
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:13,280
building

1244
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:16,000
and if they approach it it will just

1245
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:16,800
melt away

1246
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,240
it'll just vanish away so um

1247
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:22,240
now there are other things that go on

1248
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:24,640
there if i just could quickly tell you

1249
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,680
at dusk there is a couple who hold

1250
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,160
hands and float over the tombstones in

1251
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:32,800
their pajamas no that is how romantic

1252
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:37,119
oh cool yes and there's a big pond

1253
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:39,440
actually it's right almost at the foot

1254
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:41,200
of charles fort's

1255
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,599
grave a very pretty pond people go up

1256
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:45,440
there they have picnics in the daytime

1257
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:46,240
people jog

1258
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:47,920
they walk their dog it's a beautiful

1259
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,000
place and um

1260
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,480
at another time at you know in the fall

1261
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,240
toward uh the end of

1262
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:56,880
uh like maybe toward what did they say

1263
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,520
um

1264
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:59,280
the halloween season late you know late

1265
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:01,119
in the fall people will

1266
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:04,640
see an old funeral procession

1267
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:07,440
going around the pond and the ladies

1268
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:09,200
have the dark veils

1269
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:11,920
they're all dressed in morning clothes

1270
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:13,280
and there's a casket

1271
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:16,079
um in a and a wagon drawn by two black

1272
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,280
horses

1273
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:19,839
and if you approach it it will just fade

1274
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:21,040
away

1275
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:22,800
they don't hurt anybody but you know

1276
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:25,200
they they like to be seen apparently

1277
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,400
they're show-offs so um another thing

1278
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:30,400
uh my last thing i'll tell you about

1279
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:31,520
albany rural

1280
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:34,560
in 1973 i was a young girl

1281
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:37,280
and i wish it was now but i'm not and i

1282
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,000
just bought

1283
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:40,880
um a mustang convertible and i thought i

1284
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:41,520
was

1285
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:44,240
something else you know and i had my

1286
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:45,599
little niece with me

1287
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:48,880
she was two years old and um

1288
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:51,440
adorable little girl and i i was with

1289
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:52,160
her mother

1290
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:54,000
and i said let's go in the cemetery

1291
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,599
let's do something crazy because we love

1292
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:57,359
to be scared you know

1293
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,839
and uh i my sister-in-law said i'm not

1294
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:01,440
going to get out of the car you guys

1295
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:03,920
walk around so i had the baby by her

1296
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:05,440
hand and we walked over

1297
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:08,400
to one of these mammoth crips that kind

1298
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:09,280
of align

1299
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:12,720
um the roads there the uh containing the

1300
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:15,599
remains of the aristocracy of early new

1301
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:16,720
york a lot of them

1302
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:19,280
dutch families like the skylers and keep

1303
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:20,800
going guys i'll get close okay

1304
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:22,880
well you know let me tell you my uh mib

1305
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:24,800
story well i have you on the phone

1306
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:29,520
right um back in 1967

1307
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:32,640
i was working as managing editor of a

1308
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:33,520
magazine called

1309
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:36,400
saucer news they had taken over my

1310
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,240
newsletter subscribers because they

1311
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,319
were putting out a more professional

1312
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:42,160
scene and i didn't have to sit there and

1313
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:43,119
collate it and

1314
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:45,040
print it on my mimeograph machine and

1315
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:46,240
all right

1316
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:49,119
and um i would come into manhattan every

1317
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:50,319
day

1318
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,720
and we were getting this was the the

1319
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:54,400
around the time of the marsh gas

1320
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,760
sightings in michigan uh and there were

1321
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:59,839
the news media was full of reports of

1322
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:01,599
ufos it was one of the

1323
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:05,200
real peak uh years for ufo sightings in

1324
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:07,040
in north america

1325
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:10,800
there was 1952 well 1947 of course the

1326
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:11,200
first

1327
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:14,319
flap 1952 1957

1328
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:16,880
then it skipped about that uh 10 10

1329
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,079
years

1330
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:20,400
and uh we were in the middle like uh a

1331
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:23,119
summer a wave of ufo sightings

1332
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,240
and uh one of the um uh incidents

1333
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,720
uh that we had heard about involved a

1334
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:30,960
group of teenagers i think four teenage

1335
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:31,920
boys

1336
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:36,400
who had seen an object land in a park

1337
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:39,760
in passaic new jersey and apparently

1338
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:40,240
several

1339
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:43,440
small creatures got out of the craft and

1340
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:45,440
scurried around and did whatever small

1341
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:48,240
creatures that come out of crafts do

1342
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,359
and they were very excited what teenage

1343
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:52,720
boy wouldn't be

1344
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:54,880
uh they didn't have any nintendo in

1345
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:55,760
those days

1346
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:58,319
right so they were very excited about

1347
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:59,119
this you

1348
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:01,040
landed ufo and the little men that they

1349
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:02,880
had seen scurrying around it

1350
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,119
so they called a oh i guess a local

1351
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:08,960
researcher by the name of john jay

1352
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,559
robinson

1353
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,960
and he was an assistant editor for

1354
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,119
saucer news he wasn't a full-time job he

1355
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:17,359
would just send in reports and

1356
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:20,160
uh occasionally from time to time jim

1357
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:22,240
mosley the publisher and john would be

1358
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:25,520
uh on the long john nebbel show and they

1359
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:26,880
would bring up all these

1360
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,079
reports and so forth well anyway

1361
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:32,319
uh several weeks after the sighting they

1362
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:33,520
had a meeting

1363
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:35,200
with the teenage boys just on the

1364
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,119
perimeter of the park

1365
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,960
to discuss and take down notes about

1366
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,720
what they had seen

1367
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:42,559
and the boys described in detail the

1368
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,880
landing of this craft and the little men

1369
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,720
uh that scurried around they seemed to

1370
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:48,960
be dressed in some sort of

1371
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,079
uniform they looked

1372
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:54,319
humanoid in appearance they were smaller

1373
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,079
than any earth person but

1374
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:58,000
they didn't you know look monstrous and

1375
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:59,680
they didn't have wings or horns or

1376
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,440
anything like that

1377
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,839
so they noticed while they were

1378
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:05,440
interviewing the teenagers

1379
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:08,480
off about a block away on the perimeter

1380
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:09,359
of the park

1381
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:11,599
there was a big old black cadillac

1382
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:12,800
sitting there

1383
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:15,760
and it had a partially lowered window on

1384
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,319
it

1385
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:19,440
and the the glasses were all you know

1386
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:22,079
blacked out and you couldn't really see

1387
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:23,359
who was inside

1388
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:26,960
but somebody seemed to be uh observing

1389
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:29,440
the conversation

1390
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:32,640
and they i i guess they eventually left

1391
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:34,480
and everybody went home and

1392
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:37,839
jack filed a report with the jim mosley

1393
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:40,559
saucer news and we put it in our file

1394
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:41,599
cabinet and

1395
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:44,480
planned to you know report on it in the

1396
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,040
next

1397
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:47,520
issue of the magazine which was a

1398
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:48,480
quarterly

1399
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:51,680
well now we got several calls from

1400
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:55,440
jack after he had met with the teenage

1401
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:58,800
boys that he thought that his telephone

1402
00:51:03,190 --> 00:50:59,920
was being

1403
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:03,200
tapped uh and apparently somebody had

1404
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:04,559
broken into

1405
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:07,440
his uh apartment he lived in a small but

1406
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,319
he didn't

1407
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:11,040
marry uh robinson lived in a small

1408
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:12,559
apartment uh building

1409
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,680
in jersey city which is a bedroom

1410
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:17,280
community of uh

1411
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,319
manhattan uh probably hundreds of couple

1412
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:22,400
hundred thousand people take the path

1413
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:24,000
train over from

1414
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:26,960
uh jersey city to manhattan every day

1415
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:28,480
it's about maybe a 20 mi

1416
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:32,720
a 20 minute ride it stops at wall street

1417
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:35,440
uh it stops uh pretty near macy's and

1418
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:36,240
it's a

1419
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,559
a hover activity if you don't want to

1420
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:40,319
pay the manhattan rents

1421
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:43,119
uh that's where you lived uh you know

1422
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:44,800
back in those days today wouldn't much

1423
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:45,440
matter i

1424
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:49,040
wouldn't uh suspect but uh anyway

1425
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,920
when jack would go to work uh his wife

1426
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:52,800
mary um

1427
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:54,640
you know who stayed at home she would go

1428
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,000
out and do the uh

1429
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,319
the shopping and uh whatever she had you

1430
00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:00,240
know chores she had to do

1431
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:02,079
and she would call us on several

1432
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:03,520
occasions to tell us

1433
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:06,559
that there was this strange man

1434
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:09,040
standing in the doorway next door to the

1435
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,480
building where they lived

1436
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:12,559
uh he had on a black suit black

1437
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:14,960
sunglasses black hat

1438
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:18,000
and he was kind of recessed into the

1439
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:20,240
uh the doorway as if he did not want to

1440
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:21,040
be uh

1441
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:24,319
observed so she was wondering well

1442
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:26,079
what was he you know what was he doing

1443
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,000
there and this was around the time

1444
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:30,319
that jack mary felt that their phone was

1445
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:31,200
being tapped

1446
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:33,680
and that they were uh apartment was

1447
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:35,200
broken into and the files

1448
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:38,559
rifled through so i

1449
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,400
i guess uh you know it at some point uh

1450
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:44,400
mary had called so many times i guess

1451
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,000
she was kind of being

1452
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,720
persistent that we should go over and

1453
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,720
see for ourselves this strange

1454
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:52,720
uh individual standing in the in the

1455
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:54,880
doorway near her house now

1456
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:57,200
the men in black of course the movies

1457
00:53:01,829 --> 00:52:58,079
hadn't come out

1458
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:01,839
then if you were in the uh ufologist or

1459
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,800
listened to

1460
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:04,400
maybe long john neville or some of the

1461
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:06,800
early broadcasts you knew who they uh

1462
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:07,680
they were

1463
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,760
researchers and appearing on the

1464
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,680
doorsteps and

1465
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,440
look pretty much like in the in the

1466
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:17,040
movie version you know

1467
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,040
but they obviously were not so comical

1468
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,119
they were very serious about

1469
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:23,040
uh in their attempts to silence uh

1470
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:24,400
people so now

1471
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:26,559
we decided well you know this could

1472
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:28,960
possibly be a hoax that

1473
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:31,359
jack and mary were trying to pull on the

1474
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:32,240
the staff

1475
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:35,280
just to gleam a little bit of attention

1476
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:38,000
so jim and i decided we're going to to

1477
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:39,440
drive over to

1478
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,440
their apartment in jersey city and to

1479
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:43,440
take a look without letting them know

1480
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:45,200
that we are coming

1481
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:48,160
so uh one morning we get into jim's

1482
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:50,720
automobile we go through the uh

1483
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:53,440
lincoln tunnel and head over to um

1484
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:54,400
jersey city

1485
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:57,200
very quick uh drive and and we get there

1486
00:54:02,069 --> 00:53:58,319
it's about probably

1487
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:02,079
oh maybe 8 8 15 in the morning and uh

1488
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:04,640
the streets the streets are very narrow

1489
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,079
it's a residential

1490
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:08,960
area the streets are very narrow and a

1491
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,119
lot of people are double parked i assume

1492
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:12,960
doing their own chores and

1493
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:15,520
uh and stuff so uh as we pulled up to

1494
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:16,880
the block we saw that

1495
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,480
indeed there was a a strange individual

1496
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:22,559
uh or a stranger let's say that's

1497
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:24,319
standing in the doorway

1498
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:27,760
so jim is driving and he hands me his

1499
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:30,079
camera and i'm in the passenger

1500
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,480
seat and i stick my head out the window

1501
00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:34,240
and i stick the camera out

1502
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,839
and i take a photograph of the

1503
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:38,559
individual and i

1504
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:41,599
take a photograph of the vehicle that's

1505
00:54:45,069 --> 00:54:42,799
parked at the curb

1506
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:45,079
which happens to be one of these long

1507
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,119
limousine-like

1508
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:48,960
cadillacs or lincolns i don't remember

1509
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:50,559
exactly now

1510
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:53,280
we decided we're going to confront this

1511
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:54,640
strange character

1512
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,720
and find out what is this gentleman

1513
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:58,240
doing standing there

1514
00:55:01,510 --> 00:55:00,880
uh almost on a daily basis observing

1515
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,520
people

1516
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,119
going in and out of this apartment

1517
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,359
building so jim suggests

1518
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:07,920
we uh ride uh drive around the block and

1519
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:09,440
then i get out of the car

1520
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:12,640
and approach the um the individual well

1521
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:14,240
it took us i think a little bit longer

1522
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:15,760
than we suspected to get around the

1523
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:16,880
block because

1524
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:19,680
of the congestion uh in and one-way

1525
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:21,359
streets and and so forth

1526
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,920
so by time we had gotten back to where

1527
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:25,280
he was

1528
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:28,480
uh the gentleman was gone and the

1529
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:31,680
car was gone as well but we did have the

1530
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,200
one photograph

1531
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:35,280
and people that look at it will say well

1532
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:37,200
maybe it was a pallbearer

1533
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:38,720
well there was no funeral home or

1534
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:40,960
anything like that nearby

1535
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:43,359
i don't think anybody had died they

1536
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:45,680
weren't picking up a casket

1537
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:47,599
they weren't shooting you know some kind

1538
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,119
of horror movie in the

1539
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:51,359
in the neighborhood but the peculiar

1540
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:52,400
thing was you know

1541
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:54,319
we think about the men in black or the

1542
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:55,920
the mibs as we call them

1543
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:59,040
is silencing ufo researchers well

1544
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:02,079
i think that i silenced him because he

1545
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:05,760
never showed up uh anymore after our

1546
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:09,040
taking his photograph and there was

1547
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:10,799
no more attempts to break into the

1548
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:12,079
apartment

1549
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:14,720
and as far as we know the jack and

1550
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:16,240
mary's telephone

1551
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:19,200
calls were not being tapped so you could

1552
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:21,119
say i have the power to scare off the

1553
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:22,799
men in black which not too many other

1554
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:23,440
people

1555
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:26,880
in the ufo field can justifiably say

1556
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:29,680
but that was my experience with the with

1557
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:31,359
the so-called men in black

1558
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:33,359
uh they are real but then you know

1559
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:35,839
there's so many so much strange

1560
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,040
phenomena that's associated with ufos uh

1561
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:41,599
that's what makes it so the subject so

1562
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:42,559
intriguing

1563
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:45,200
if it were just lights in the sky or an

1564
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,000
occasional

1565
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,720
you know landing uh with some burton

1566
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,880
rocks or soil or something like that

1567
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:52,720
i don't think it would have held my

1568
00:56:58,870 --> 00:56:55,440
interest uh for

1569
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:58,880
half a century tim that's the craziest

1570
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:00,720
picture i ever saw that is so

1571
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:03,599
spooky of that guy well he seems awesome

1572
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:04,880
too

1573
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:07,520
you know what i find unusual about him

1574
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:08,799
more than anything else

1575
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,240
he seems to be wearing fairy boots yeah

1576
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:13,760
it looks like a little elf

1577
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:16,559
like well he doesn't but the but the uh

1578
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:18,079
the shoes are the boots that he's

1579
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:18,559
wearing

1580
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:21,040
uh yes i certainly do right and i don't

1581
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:21,760
know uh

1582
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:24,880
yeah yeah i have used myself now fellas

1583
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:27,359
have you encountered uh or heard stories

1584
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:29,359
about anybody that's had them

1585
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:32,400
uh cryptid sightings or encounters being

1586
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,520
harassed or or observed by men and black

1587
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:37,359
type individuals

1588
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:40,480
well no i haven't no yeah i had one i

1589
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:41,760
had one um

1590
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:44,000
uh well i just just let me finish uh

1591
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:46,000
that one bit about uh being in the

1592
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:48,160
cemetery my phone went ahead

1593
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:50,160
i only take a second i anyway my niece

1594
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:51,200
and i went up to

1595
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:53,520
john boyd thatcher's crypt who was an

1596
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:55,280
early mayor of new york

1597
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:58,400
and it sounded like uh metallic uh

1598
00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:01,119
a huge noise that came out from from the

1599
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:01,760
crypt

1600
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:03,680
it was like somebody took a steel drum

1601
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:05,200
and just kind of threw it against the

1602
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:06,640
side of the building

1603
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:08,880
and anyway i i didn't go back for almost

1604
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:09,920
35 years

1605
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:11,520
until my friend told me about the men in

1606
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:13,040
black anyway

1607
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:16,000
uh in the late 80s i had just broken up

1608
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:16,880
with someone

1609
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,559
which i did all the time i was kind of

1610
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,480
fickle and

1611
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:23,040
i decided i wanted to get back with him

1612
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:23,680
but he had met

1613
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:26,079
someone else you know how that goes and

1614
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:28,000
i heard he was going out with someone so

1615
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:29,440
i said well i'm going to get

1616
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,960
up in the middle of the night and i know

1617
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:32,880
where he goes on a friday night and i'm

1618
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:34,480
just going to see if he walks out with

1619
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:35,599
somebody

1620
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:39,359
so across the river there's an old

1621
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:41,440
road and it's a two-lane highway it's

1622
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:42,400
completely dark

1623
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:45,760
it isn't lit by any street lamps

1624
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:47,599
and it goes to the little village of

1625
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:50,880
castleton on hudson which is about maybe

1626
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:52,480
six miles from uh

1627
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:55,760
albany across the river and i

1628
00:59:01,990 --> 00:58:59,359
i just got almost to where the town

1629
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:02,000
began after going down this very dark

1630
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,000
road which was kind of creepy

1631
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:06,319
and out of the corner of my eye i saw

1632
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:07,920
something white

1633
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,319
and when i looked at it and i swear to

1634
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:12,720
you on a stack of bibles

1635
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:15,760
as god is my judge here was

1636
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:18,160
it looked like a white owl and it was

1637
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:19,440
about 36

1638
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,839
inches tall it was just sitting there on

1639
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:23,280
the side of the road

1640
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:25,920
and when i looked at it it it flew right

1641
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:27,680
over my windshield and almost hit the

1642
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:29,359
windshield and i have never been so

1643
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:31,119
scared in my life

1644
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:34,319
so i'm of course i wanted to find out uh

1645
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,559
you know are there owls that big around

1646
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:38,480
you know upstate new york

1647
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:41,760
no there's nothing but what i did find

1648
00:59:45,910 --> 00:59:42,720
out is that

1649
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:45,920
people who have been abducted sometimes

1650
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:47,520
there they see an owl

1651
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:49,599
or a deer and they call it a screen

1652
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:51,839
memory so you don't really remember

1653
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:53,440
you know i'm sure you're familiar with

1654
00:59:58,829 --> 00:59:55,119
that and uh

1655
01:00:02,230 --> 00:59:58,839
also uh there's a demon called malik

1656
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:02,240
m-o-l-o-c that is represented by a big

1657
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:03,520
white owl

1658
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:07,119
and i will never know what that meant um

1659
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:10,079
i i don't want to know but that was in

1660
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:13,680
probably about 1985 or six

1661
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:18,240
so that was my i had a stretch of about

1662
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:22,079
uh i know about almost a year and a half

1663
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:22,640
it happened

1664
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:25,119
actually started going on after my wife

1665
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:26,079
started

1666
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:28,720
my wife got sick and it didn't end to

1667
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:30,160
after she passed away

1668
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:33,040
and um i was seeing owls i was seeing

1669
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:34,640
references to owls

1670
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:37,680
i was seeing owls uh

1671
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:41,760
it was crazy i was told

1672
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:45,119
yeah i was told by a shaman that it was

1673
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:48,559
actually a uh

1674
01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:50,799
if aforementioned before death or

1675
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:51,599
something i

1676
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:54,559
yeah i don't know but uh you know it

1677
01:01:00,549 --> 01:00:56,720
eventually stopped but uh

1678
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:00,559
it was odd there is something to it um

1679
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:02,960
uh you know like uh tim mentioned uh

1680
01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:03,839
cryptids

1681
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:07,839
well and i probably mentioned i live 160

1682
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:08,880
miles from

1683
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:11,359
manhattan and there you have to go

1684
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:12,000
through the

1685
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:14,000
catskill mountains which are extremely

1686
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:15,280
haunted by

1687
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:18,400
um animals that are absolutely

1688
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:22,079
mammoth and they're called catamounts

1689
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:22,400
they're

1690
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:24,880
huge cats probably three times the size

1691
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:26,400
of maybe a panther

1692
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:27,680
and they've been seen through the

1693
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:29,920
centuries as well as

1694
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:33,200
little people and so forth and so on and

1695
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:36,079
as you go up um the hudson valley

1696
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:38,000
through the catskills

1697
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:40,880
probably maybe i would say 20 miles from

1698
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:42,720
where i live across the river

1699
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:45,839
there's a place called kinderhook

1700
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:48,799
meaning children's corner in dutch it

1701
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:49,599
was a dutch

1702
01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:53,280
settlement and that is where washington

1703
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:53,839
irving

1704
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:56,079
spent a lot of time when he was

1705
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:56,880
composing

1706
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:59,119
the legend of sleepy hollow ripton

1707
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,160
wrinkle

1708
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:02,160
and all you know all these scary things

1709
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:03,920
and he was very influenced

1710
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:07,760
by that area and he actually said that

1711
01:02:11,829 --> 01:02:10,319
it was a drowsy dreamy influence that

1712
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:11,839
seemed to hang over

1713
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:14,960
the area and held the people

1714
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:18,480
under a strange witching power and

1715
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:20,559
this is where uh he got the inspiration

1716
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:21,760
for all of his

1717
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:25,760
his work um but in that area

1718
01:02:30,349 --> 01:02:28,160
uh right next to kinderhook there's a

1719
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:30,359
little uh town called ghent

1720
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:33,839
g-h-e-n-t and starting in the 70s

1721
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:35,440
bigfoot was seen

1722
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:38,240
constantly out there it would knock on

1723
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:39,359
people's doors

1724
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:40,480
in the middle of the night it would

1725
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,039
steal food it would get in the garbage

1726
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:45,119
and it plagued this one family that was

1727
01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:47,119
the bartholomew family

1728
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:49,039
and he actually wrote a book about it

1729
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:50,400
but um

1730
01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:52,240
his family wasn't the only one that saw

1731
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:54,400
this thing it was eight feet tall

1732
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:57,440
brown hair and they would go

1733
01:03:02,549 --> 01:03:00,559
uh to a fishing place uh just about a

1734
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:02,559
mile from their house he and his cousin

1735
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:04,400
called cushing's hill

1736
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:06,720
and they would see what they called the

1737
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:07,680
white blob

1738
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:09,920
and it would kind of drift across the

1739
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:11,520
creek toward them

1740
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:14,559
and kind of take a human shape and then

1741
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:17,280
disappear and this is where they saw

1742
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:19,359
bigfoot

1743
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:21,359
probably i don't know i don't know how

1744
01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:22,799
many times he mentioned but they they

1745
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:24,160
saw him running across

1746
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:27,440
the creek and as you go up

1747
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:29,280
north of where i live toward the

1748
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:30,720
adirondack mountains

1749
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:34,079
also a lot of hornings up there

1750
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:37,119
um there are bigfoot sightings in lake

1751
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:37,839
george

1752
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:40,960
and near french mountain where

1753
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:43,440
many many people have seen things and in

1754
01:03:48,390 --> 01:03:44,880
the skene valley

1755
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:48,400
uh country club area there is one place

1756
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:51,119
near there in whitehall new york near

1757
01:03:56,549 --> 01:03:54,000
saranac lake in lake luzerne fort edward

1758
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:56,559
ford and fort ticonderoga and it's

1759
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:57,119
called

1760
01:04:02,390 --> 01:04:00,720
a bear road and this is a hot spot if

1761
01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:02,400
you really wanted to get in your car

1762
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:02,960
today

1763
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:05,359
and have a good chance of seeing a

1764
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:06,160
bigfoot

1765
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:07,920
you want to go to a bear road in

1766
01:04:12,069 --> 01:04:09,359
whitehall

1767
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:12,079
um i have gotten a lot i've gotten a lot

1768
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:13,039
of uh

1769
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:16,240
sightings up in around white hall and

1770
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:17,520
across the lakes

1771
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:20,640
actually as well and uh well of course

1772
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:23,760
shawn's friend just did a movie about

1773
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:27,280
whitehall and uh seth breedlove

1774
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,799
and uh very interesting film uh yeah

1775
01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:32,640
whitehall is kind of a hot spot

1776
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:35,599
it's uh it's very well known for for uh

1777
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:36,079
cryptid

1778
01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:38,640
and bigfoot activity yeah and it's still

1779
01:04:43,829 --> 01:04:40,319
going on it started

1780
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:43,839
really um in the 70s where more

1781
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:45,599
i guess most people saw the thing and

1782
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:47,920
then it kind of receded for a number of

1783
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:49,680
years and now people are starting to see

1784
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:50,480
it again

1785
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:52,640
so if i get my nerve up i'll i'll go up

1786
01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:54,880
there probably not though i don't know

1787
01:05:00,309 --> 01:04:58,400
but um it was a um

1788
01:05:01,430 --> 01:05:00,319
they always say it was brown had brown

1789
01:05:03,349 --> 01:05:01,440
fur and

1790
01:05:04,870 --> 01:05:03,359
eight to nine feet tall and we just kind

1791
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:04,880
of walk in front of the cars

1792
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:07,280
like some demented hitchhiker you know

1793
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:09,200
swinging his arms and just kind of

1794
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:10,640
walk into the woods he doesn't seem

1795
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:13,119
aggressive at least not this one

1796
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:16,799
so that's um that's in that area and uh

1797
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:19,920
another place if you go down

1798
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:22,799
again along the hudson valley if you go

1799
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,359
to a place called poughkeepsie new york

1800
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:27,119
there is a video i just spent a week

1801
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:28,400
there you didn't tell me about that

1802
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:29,680
claudia yeah

1803
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:32,240
oh okay well uh do you does anyone

1804
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:32,880
remember

1805
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:35,760
the bishop james pike james pike in the

1806
01:05:40,630 --> 01:05:36,960
70s oh yes

1807
01:05:43,750 --> 01:05:40,640
actually uh yes indeed okay well he was

1808
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:43,760
the rector of uh christ's episcopal

1809
01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:44,240
church

1810
01:05:52,870 --> 01:05:47,359
in that area and uh he did all the

1811
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:56,950
his son committed suicide in a hotel

1812
01:06:01,829 --> 01:05:59,359
that's just right around the corner uh

1813
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:01,839
from where i am here in manhattan

1814
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:04,000
and where i had some close friends who

1815
01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:04,960
who lived there for

1816
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:07,200
many years and of course there's a lot

1817
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:09,039
of paranormal

1818
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:12,400
um uh phenomena involved with

1819
01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:14,400
his passing and his son's death and so

1820
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:16,880
forth but go on with your your story

1821
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:19,200
this little tail for another time yeah

1822
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:20,400
he was a rector

1823
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:22,319
in the in the late 40s in that church

1824
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:23,920
it's quite an old church

1825
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:26,640
and you know many people wonder how to

1826
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:28,160
reconcile their faith

1827
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:29,839
with their belief in the supernatural

1828
01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:31,359
and that's always been a thing with me i

1829
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:32,319
i

1830
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:40,000
that there's

1831
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:43,039
a dark side a light side i know that

1832
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:45,119
and a lot of people are kind of in that

1833
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:47,280
conundrum you know we're interested in

1834
01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:47,680
what's

1835
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:49,520
what the other side is but we don't want

1836
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:50,960
to get too close to it we just want to

1837
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:52,319
know it exists because it kind of

1838
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:53,520
confirms

1839
01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:55,680
the light side the you know the your

1840
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:56,799
religion

1841
01:07:00,069 --> 01:06:59,520
and um but they're often surprised to

1842
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,079
learn that

1843
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:02,240
um actually there are many haunted

1844
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:03,839
churches and um

1845
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:06,960
many men um of the clock have have had

1846
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:09,760
encounters with ghosts in their church

1847
01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:11,839
and this particular church in

1848
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:13,520
poughkeepsie

1849
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:16,400
is extremely haunted i believe it was

1850
01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:19,920
founded in the 17 the mid 1700s

1851
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:24,400
and i at one one time uh the late uh

1852
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:27,119
james pike the bishop who was who came

1853
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:29,119
out in the 70s as a medium and

1854
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:31,599
that was a strange word back then we

1855
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:32,720
heard of psychics

1856
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:35,200
everybody kind of chuckled nobody really

1857
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:36,640
took it too seriously

1858
01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:38,640
but he was a medium so that was

1859
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:39,760
something different

1860
01:07:44,069 --> 01:07:41,680
and he claimed to speak to the dead and

1861
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:44,079
he was into reincarnation and a lot of

1862
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:45,520
things that go against the christian

1863
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:46,559
faith

1864
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:49,200
but anyway he was the rector there and

1865
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:51,599
he had seen many ghosts in the church

1866
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:55,119
uh and during one mass as he lit a holy

1867
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:56,400
candle

1868
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:58,960
he was actually attacked by a bat on the

1869
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:00,000
altar

1870
01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:03,760
and this inexplicable gust of wind

1871
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:06,079
blew the candle out just as the bat

1872
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:07,280
appeared

1873
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:11,039
and the incident uh it was witnessed by

1874
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:13,200
the entire congregation and it's you

1875
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:14,240
know it seems like

1876
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:16,880
candles and bats have featured uh

1877
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:17,839
prominently

1878
01:08:21,189 --> 01:08:20,319
in other strange incidences at that

1879
01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:21,199
church

1880
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:23,759
uh the candles uh in the library

1881
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:24,560
extinguish

1882
01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:27,440
themselves on occasion and this

1883
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:29,359
malevolent bat has been seen by

1884
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:32,000
more than one church-goer uh i think the

1885
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:33,199
fact that it sometimes

1886
01:08:37,749 --> 01:08:36,319
fades before their eyes gives credence

1887
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:37,759
to the possibility that

1888
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:39,679
there's something supernatural about the

1889
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:41,199
creature so

1890
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:44,640
um but incidents with bats and candles

1891
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:47,199
uh you know it can be rationalized as

1892
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:48,480
not having anything to do with the

1893
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:49,520
paranormal

1894
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:50,960
you know you can just say well back been

1895
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:53,440
in the church okay but when it fades in

1896
01:08:58,390 --> 01:08:55,120
front of you and disappears

1897
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:58,400
that's something different and uh

1898
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:01,440
the church has doors that open and close

1899
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:04,640
you know unassisted and strange sounds

1900
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:07,920
and one lady fell asleep while her her

1901
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:11,199
sister was practicing the organ and uh

1902
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:13,040
when she woke up there was a ghost

1903
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:15,839
uh looking right at her smiling so there

1904
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:16,400
are

1905
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:19,279
some something going on there you know

1906
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:21,120
that being an episcopal church has

1907
01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:22,319
anybody ever

1908
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:25,520
tried to exercise it that i could not

1909
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:26,480
tell you

1910
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:30,480
i don't know uh but they say um

1911
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:33,199
during excuse me during recent times uh

1912
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:33,600
it's

1913
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:36,239
well that nonsense has kind of stopped

1914
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:36,719
so

1915
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:40,159
um but they um but it did happen

1916
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:42,000
it's all been uh in fact it was written

1917
01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:43,600
about and um

1918
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:46,799
uh i believe it was susan's uh smitten

1919
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:49,279
she's a local author uh ghost stories of

1920
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:50,880
new york state or something like that

1921
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:53,359
so it's pretty well documented it's a

1922
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:55,360
very it was a very haunted church

1923
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:58,480
i don't even know if it's still standing

1924
01:10:01,590 --> 01:10:00,000
but that's something that i would like

1925
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:01,600
to look into

1926
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:04,719
my next trip down interesting

1927
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:07,920
yeah interesting um you know new york is

1928
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,199
a very uh haunted area in fact saturday

1929
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:13,840
night i'm going to on a haunted tour

1930
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:16,960
up uh in lake george uh at the fort

1931
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:18,960
william henry which was a

1932
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:23,040
revolutionary war fortress in the 1700s

1933
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:25,920
and uh very heavily populated with

1934
01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:27,120
indians and

1935
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:30,159
revolutionary war soldiers and uh even

1936
01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:31,280
to this day

1937
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:34,000
people hear muskets uh you know being

1938
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:35,760
shot on the battlefield and

1939
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:37,679
they see men in revolutionary war

1940
01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:38,880
costumes

1941
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:41,120
so i'm looking forward to that i don't i

1942
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:42,960
don't expect i'll see anything but

1943
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:46,000
that has been reported i have heard i

1944
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:46,480
have heard

1945
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:49,280
people that had been there previously

1946
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:49,600
and

1947
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:52,320
uh yeah there seems to be a lot of

1948
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:53,199
activity

1949
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:55,600
all around that fort in particular the

1950
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:56,880
mess and uh out

1951
01:11:03,030 --> 01:10:59,920
on the walls or the old walls or

1952
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:03,040
um yeah that that should be very

1953
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:05,679
interesting well we're going up at night

1954
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:07,600
and it's going to be a candlelit tour

1955
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:10,239
through the the old fort and they're

1956
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:11,440
going to dress in them

1957
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:13,199
you know the old revolutionary war

1958
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:14,960
soldier uniforms and they're actually

1959
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:15,600
having real

1960
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:17,280
indians there so it's going to be like

1961
01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:18,960
we're being chased by the indians it's

1962
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:20,480
going to be a lot of fun

1963
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:22,960
now who who is sponsoring that claudia

1964
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:23,760
uh the fort

1965
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:25,679
the fort william henry i grew up there a

1966
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:26,880
lot yeah

1967
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:29,920
my my best friend margaret ann she's

1968
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:32,640
a uh uh she when she was a little girl

1969
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:34,640
her parents would take her up there

1970
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,880
and um that she has a lot of memories so

1971
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:38,640
we were up there one day and we found

1972
01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:40,159
out that they had these haunted tours so

1973
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:41,679
we signed up for it

1974
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:43,520
and we're going on the headless horseman

1975
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:45,920
tour in terrytown the following week so

1976
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:46,960
wow

1977
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:48,960
this is going to be good i had i had

1978
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:51,440
lunch in terrytown uh yesterday

1979
01:11:57,990 --> 01:11:54,719
uh looking for ichabod crane but

1980
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:58,000
you know you you read that little item

1981
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:58,400
from

1982
01:12:02,070 --> 01:12:01,280
washington irving's uh sleepy hollow

1983
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:02,080
book

1984
01:12:05,189 --> 01:12:03,840
uh if you read if i could find that

1985
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:05,199
paragraph which i don't have

1986
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:07,280
here in front of me about what he

1987
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:09,520
described and this was what about 1700

1988
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:11,040
or something like that

1989
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:13,120
a little bit after right if you read

1990
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:14,400
that paragraph or two

1991
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:17,520
out of his book you would swear that he

1992
01:12:21,750 --> 01:12:19,040
was talking about

1993
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:21,760
what was going on up there even recently

1994
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:22,560
because

1995
01:12:25,950 --> 01:12:25,040
this is the exact same area where in the

1996
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:25,960
early

1997
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:29,520
1980s this huge boomerang

1998
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:32,239
shaped the craft was coming down over

1999
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:32,800
the

2000
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:39,920
actually witnessed this

2001
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:42,480
uh similar in some respects to the the

2002
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:43,280
phoenix

2003
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:45,679
lights uh in that it moved across the

2004
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:46,640
sky

2005
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:50,159
uh silently and it was so

2006
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:53,440
large that it blocked out a a huge

2007
01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:57,280
a huge section of the uh of the sky

2008
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:01,520
and it's it's so perturbed

2009
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:04,800
and perplexed the residents of the area

2010
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:08,640
that they actually held a town hall

2011
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:11,679
meeting in the local

2012
01:13:17,830 --> 01:13:16,239
middle school there

2013
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:17,840
and they called in the number of

2014
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:19,280
scientists they had dr j

2015
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:21,120
allen heineck and jacques valet was

2016
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:22,480
there and

2017
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:25,199
and so forth to get to the bottom of

2018
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:26,719
what it is that they had

2019
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:29,679
observed of course they had no luck

2020
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:31,199
because

2021
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:33,040
what they had observed did not seem to

2022
01:13:37,030 --> 01:13:35,840
be man-made in the sense that we think

2023
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:37,040
of man-made now

2024
01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:40,400
these crafts may not be physical nuts

2025
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:41,199
and bolt

2026
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:43,679
objects i mean they do seem to have the

2027
01:13:48,149 --> 01:13:44,640
ability

2028
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:48,159
to transport themselves uh

2029
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:51,120
through space and time i do believe that

2030
01:14:05,990 --> 01:13:51,760
the

2031
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:06,000
race or races of beings actually uh have

2032
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:08,960
bases here underground so this all kind

2033
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:10,800
of ties in together but if you had told

2034
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:11,760
me this

2035
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:14,880
uh back in nineteen

2036
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,080
when i had my first uh ufo sighting

2037
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:20,640
i would have thought you were terribly

2038
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,640
uh batty uh

2039
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:24,719
well you you think a lot on the lines

2040
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:26,480
like i do about

2041
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:27,840
extraterrestrial so-called

2042
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:29,840
extraterrestrials and

2043
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:32,560
non-terrestrial beings i think i think a

2044
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:34,239
lot like you do

2045
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:36,000
well now let me let me tell you okay

2046
01:14:40,149 --> 01:14:37,280
just let me tell you this one quick

2047
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:40,159
story uh people uh ask you know is there

2048
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:41,920
what is the possible connection

2049
01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:44,960
between ufos and uh and bigfoot

2050
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:46,480
they don't see how there would be a

2051
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:48,320
relation that that's the question i was

2052
01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:49,040
going to ask

2053
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:51,920
okay well here's a story that i remember

2054
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:54,560
from my days of writing for the weekly

2055
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:55,199
uh

2056
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:58,320
press i i was a a stringer they called

2057
01:15:02,310 --> 01:14:59,120
it for

2058
01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:02,320
the uh inquirer the globe uh

2059
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:03,920
the main paper i wrote for was something

2060
01:15:07,990 --> 01:15:06,159
out of chicago called the tattler

2061
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:08,000
which was named after a british paper i

2062
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:09,679
think went back to the 1700s or

2063
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:10,080
something

2064
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:12,640
like that uh and in those days they

2065
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:14,000
weren't you know like all

2066
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,640
celebrity gossip and and stuff like that

2067
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:18,480
you actually had the opportunity

2068
01:15:21,750 --> 01:15:20,960
to uh you know to do some investigative

2069
01:15:23,669 --> 01:15:21,760
work and

2070
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:23,679
see your name in print and guess what

2071
01:15:26,229 --> 01:15:25,679
you even got paid a few dollars right

2072
01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:26,239
what a

2073
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,400
hearing about a report

2074
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:32,320
of a gentleman and i got him on the

2075
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:34,960
telephone he had been driving along at

2076
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:37,120
night i guess a rather remote

2077
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:40,640
uh area and i think this was either in

2078
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:41,840
wisconsin or

2079
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:44,480
in michigan and i think you can find it

2080
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:45,360
on the internet

2081
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:48,080
and he actually drew me a uh made a

2082
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:49,840
sketch of what he

2083
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:52,880
had seen and he sent it to me uh in

2084
01:15:56,950 --> 01:15:54,880
a uh you know in a letter in those days

2085
01:16:00,390 --> 01:15:56,960
obviously uh and it was a

2086
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:00,400
giant transparent globe

2087
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:03,520
almost like a fishbowl type of device

2088
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:07,040
and inside the vehicle

2089
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:10,880
was a large hairy creature it was a

2090
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:13,920
one foot device or one man

2091
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:17,760
device was this seeming creature this

2092
01:16:21,030 --> 01:16:20,320
big hairy creature standing sitting

2093
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:21,040
behind

2094
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:24,080
a control panel and i asked this fellow

2095
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:24,560
if he

2096
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:26,480
knew about reports of bigfoot or

2097
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:28,320
anything like that and he didn't even

2098
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:30,080
really know what i was talking about or

2099
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:31,360
at least i i assumed

2100
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:34,080
he didn't and so that was my first

2101
01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:34,800
inkling

2102
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:37,280
that there might be a an actual i was

2103
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:38,960
going to say solid but that may not be

2104
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:40,480
the correct word

2105
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:43,199
a way to phrase it a connection between

2106
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:43,840
uh the

2107
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:46,880
ufos and these uh equipteds

2108
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:50,320
and of course that that's kind of the um

2109
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:52,719
uh the uh i guess the concept that we

2110
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:54,080
project in this uh

2111
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:56,080
book that we just did the cryptic

2112
01:17:01,430 --> 01:16:58,159
features some dark domains

2113
01:17:02,790 --> 01:17:01,440
dogman devil hounds phantom canines and

2114
01:17:05,590 --> 01:17:02,800
real werewolves

2115
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:05,600
and i guess maybe they're all in some

2116
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:06,480
sort of way

2117
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:09,120
related out there hard to say but uh you

2118
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:10,560
know i think it's just getting to the

2119
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:12,400
point now where we can all really start

2120
01:17:15,750 --> 01:17:12,800
just

2121
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:15,760
taking this uh seriously i don't know as

2122
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:16,560
if

2123
01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:19,760
any members of the academic uh community

2124
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:21,199
are going to

2125
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:23,760
pursue this but then you know it's like

2126
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:25,199
disclosure people say

2127
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:26,719
do you think the government is going to

2128
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:28,400
tell us what ufos are

2129
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:31,040
well if you've investigated this uh for

2130
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:32,239
50 years

2131
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:33,520
if you don't believe they're real

2132
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:34,640
probably you're not going to believe

2133
01:17:37,990 --> 01:17:35,679
that you're going to think it's some

2134
01:17:40,470 --> 01:17:38,000
kind of false flag or something see

2135
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:40,480
and if you do believe it i do believe it

2136
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:42,239
either from your own observation or

2137
01:17:45,669 --> 01:17:45,120
what somebody has told you or from a

2138
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:45,679
personal

2139
01:17:50,070 --> 01:17:48,480
investigation nobody can sway your you

2140
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:50,080
know opinion anyway so

2141
01:17:53,350 --> 01:17:52,159
i don't know as if it really matters i

2142
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:53,360
don't think the government tells you too

2143
01:17:56,790 --> 01:17:54,719
much about anything so why would they

2144
01:17:57,910 --> 01:17:56,800
tell you about ufos and aliens you know

2145
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:57,920
well i don't think they're going to

2146
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:00,320
disclose that anytime soon

2147
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:02,880
no no no not in our lifetime i wouldn't

2148
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:03,760
think you know

2149
01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:05,360
maybe we can get one of the bigfoot to

2150
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:07,199
run for president i think that would be

2151
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:08,080
that

2152
01:18:12,310 --> 01:18:09,679
he might win this time might win maybe

2153
01:18:14,229 --> 01:18:12,320
he deserves to be better with

2154
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:14,239
what they have running now right he'd be

2155
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:17,520
good at the debate that's for sure

2156
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:20,239
that that event you describe it's pretty

2157
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:21,440
similar to

2158
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:25,280
um one of one of my witnesses

2159
01:18:29,590 --> 01:18:28,480
up in nova scotia had oh jeez just a few

2160
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:29,600
years ago

2161
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:33,920
uh he saw a crystal like globe

2162
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:37,199
i don't know maybe about 20 foot around

2163
01:18:42,550 --> 01:18:40,080
coming down from the sky and it landed

2164
01:18:46,229 --> 01:18:42,560
in the field across from his house

2165
01:18:49,270 --> 01:18:46,239
and this bigfoot walked out of it

2166
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:49,280
yeah and he said it just lifted off and

2167
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:49,679
he's

2168
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:53,360
what i

2169
01:18:58,390 --> 01:18:56,400
a habituation area uh because

2170
01:19:00,070 --> 01:18:58,400
there were three distinct creatures that

2171
01:19:02,790 --> 01:19:00,080
he described

2172
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:02,800
and drew down for me and but you know he

2173
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:03,760
couldn't get

2174
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:06,719
he tried we set things up set cameras up

2175
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:09,440
get pictures uh we got like an arm one

2176
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:10,960
time but that's about the only thing

2177
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:12,640
i've ever seen but some of his

2178
01:19:16,149 --> 01:19:14,000
some of his stories were pretty

2179
01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:16,159
interesting but there was always a lot

2180
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:18,560
back ufo activity

2181
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:21,280
when these bigfoot would be moving

2182
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:22,239
around

2183
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:25,280
and it was always when the weather

2184
01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:33,750
what did the bigfoot do when your friend

2185
01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:35,920
saw it did it take long he just got out

2186
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:36,239
and

2187
01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:39,280
just walked away yeah they seemed kind

2188
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:39,520
of

2189
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:42,400
castle i know they throw stones at

2190
01:19:46,229 --> 01:19:43,920
people sometimes or they

2191
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:46,239
you know they they're it's almost like

2192
01:19:50,310 --> 01:19:47,440
they're human

2193
01:19:51,430 --> 01:19:50,320
but they don't seem to you know i don't

2194
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:51,440
know i don't think they're

2195
01:19:56,790 --> 01:19:54,719
uh as opposed to the uh as opposed to

2196
01:19:58,630 --> 01:19:56,800
the upright canines

2197
01:20:00,070 --> 01:19:58,640
that we've been reporting on down here

2198
01:20:03,110 --> 01:20:00,080
in pennsylvania yes

2199
01:20:03,910 --> 01:20:03,120
uh i mean those those things and we

2200
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:03,920
still don't know

2201
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:05,600
we have no idea what they are we don't

2202
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:07,840
know if they're they're actual flesh and

2203
01:20:12,149 --> 01:20:08,320
blood

2204
01:20:14,709 --> 01:20:12,159
or they're you know from an alternate

2205
01:20:15,430 --> 01:20:14,719
reality or what they are supernatural or

2206
01:20:18,550 --> 01:20:15,440
what we

2207
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:18,560
you know but the thing is these these

2208
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:21,840
beings do seem to have to have uh

2209
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:24,400
some aggressiveness to them you know i

2210
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:26,080
don't want to meet one would you

2211
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:29,040
no no no i wouldn't we have to talk to

2212
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:31,280
people who swear they have

2213
01:20:35,750 --> 01:20:32,960
uh i believe that there's too many

2214
01:20:37,669 --> 01:20:35,760
people that that have seen them

2215
01:20:40,629 --> 01:20:37,679
uh yeah well this flap has been having

2216
01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:40,639
up here and well here in pennsylvania

2217
01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:42,560
uh particularly around the central part

2218
01:20:46,229 --> 01:20:44,719
of the state it's been uh

2219
01:20:48,229 --> 01:20:46,239
it's been fairly interesting the last

2220
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:48,239
two years though i don't know how many

2221
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:49,440
how many sightings have we got all

2222
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:51,840
together butch uh

2223
01:20:57,510 --> 01:20:55,199
24. well

2224
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:57,520
butch filed a report uh with us uh yeah

2225
01:21:02,629 --> 01:20:58,960
we we used in the

2226
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:02,639
book and also mr ufo's secret files

2227
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:06,080
on youtube uh the

2228
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:07,600
recent interview that we did with them

2229
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:09,600
on exploring the bazaar is posted

2230
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:11,840
up there and thanks to our associate

2231
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:15,280
peter as i did some uh lively uh

2232
01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:17,040
illustrations and artwork and i think a

2233
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:18,400
little video of

2234
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:20,159
bigfoot in the swamp or something like

2235
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:21,440
that hey isn't there

2236
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:23,199
isn't there a video floating i'm not

2237
01:21:27,910 --> 01:21:25,520
video but still shots floating around

2238
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:27,920
of a head of a bigfoot or or some kind

2239
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:28,960
of creature

2240
01:21:32,950 --> 01:21:31,120
walking through a marsh or a swamp that

2241
01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:32,960
i just saw

2242
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:35,280
yeah there was one not long ago that was

2243
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:37,120
down in florida

2244
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:39,760
uh i don't know i mean i you know i

2245
01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:41,120
don't know if that was real or not you

2246
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:42,880
know there's still been so many photos

2247
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:43,600
and

2248
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:45,360
videos it's just you know it's hard to

2249
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:47,199
tell i think the most interesting one

2250
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:48,800
i've seen lately

2251
01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:50,800
is the one that was caught on that eagle

2252
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:52,960
cam up in uh

2253
01:22:00,070 --> 01:21:56,639
uh maybe michigan yeah michigan

2254
01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:00,080
uh this is status uh

2255
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:03,199
um stationary eagle cam

2256
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:07,360
which is focused on a uh

2257
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:10,560
a bald eagle nest well on the side

2258
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:12,239
of the other side of the nest down on

2259
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:14,000
the ground they pick something walking

2260
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:15,120
by

2261
01:22:18,790 --> 01:22:16,719
now i don't you know i don't know if

2262
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:18,800
somebody staged that or what but it was

2263
01:22:23,910 --> 01:22:20,400
kind of interesting the way this thing

2264
01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:23,920
walked up there and uh

2265
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:31,830
back back in 1975 i think i was

2266
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:34,320
one of the first to actually uh

2267
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:35,360
investigate

2268
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:38,480
the skunk man of the everglades there

2269
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:39,199
was a

2270
01:22:43,350 --> 01:22:40,800
fellow down there by the name of

2271
01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:43,360
professor osbon

2272
01:22:46,390 --> 01:22:45,760
who actually had a team of investigators

2273
01:22:49,030 --> 01:22:46,400
and

2274
01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:49,040
as far as i know well anyway this is the

2275
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:51,040
first

2276
01:22:55,189 --> 01:22:53,360
incident that i had uh heard of like i

2277
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:55,199
say my main thing has been ufos but i've

2278
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:57,040
kind of always been into

2279
01:23:00,870 --> 01:23:00,239
the uh cryptids to some extent i was a

2280
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:00,880
uh

2281
01:23:06,310 --> 01:23:03,920
a friend of the late ivan t sanderson

2282
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:06,320
who wrote the the first book on uh the

2283
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:07,920
abominable snowman

2284
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:11,280
big 500 pound uh 500 page

2285
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:15,840
little uh jobby there you know and um

2286
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:18,080
and and so he had quite a collection of

2287
01:23:22,149 --> 01:23:20,000
uh plaster of paris you know the

2288
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:22,159
footworkings and things like that and

2289
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:24,639
he used to have a um a headquarters an

2290
01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:26,880
organization up in blairstown new jersey

2291
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:27,679
and

2292
01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:34,000
discuss it

2293
01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:36,639
uh with him he was well known in uh i

2294
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:38,719
guess on tv in those days too

2295
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:41,840
he was a collector or a caretaker of

2296
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:43,760
exotic animals you know he had traveled

2297
01:23:48,310 --> 01:23:45,679
all over the world and stuff like that

2298
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:48,320
and i guess he was the the fellow too

2299
01:23:53,189 --> 01:23:50,960
you've probably all heard about the uh

2300
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:53,199
the uh bigfoot uh supposed bigfoot

2301
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:54,639
creature in the uh

2302
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:57,920
in the big uh block of ice

2303
01:24:01,510 --> 01:24:00,080
yeah the medicinal iceman yeah yeah yeah

2304
01:24:03,270 --> 01:24:01,520
well he was the one

2305
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:03,280
that first brought this to the public's

2306
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:05,120
attention in argosy

2307
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:08,880
uh magazine and did a uh a report

2308
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:11,280
on it and of course that's always been a

2309
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:13,440
a controversial case because

2310
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:17,280
some people say well the iceman existed

2311
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:20,080
and then he was later swapped for a

2312
01:24:24,149 --> 01:24:21,120
non-existent

2313
01:24:24,870 --> 01:24:24,159
or or a dummy or you know a model or a

2314
01:24:28,470 --> 01:24:24,880
hollywood

2315
01:24:30,149 --> 01:24:28,480
prop of the iceman i don't know

2316
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:30,159
i i guess there's a different opinion on

2317
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:32,320
that i suppose everybody has their uh

2318
01:24:37,189 --> 01:24:35,760
has their own well team man uh and uh

2319
01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:37,199
claudia i want you to

2320
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:39,280
tell us where people can get in contact

2321
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:40,400
with you

2322
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:43,440
and uh where they can buy your books at

2323
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:47,040
well um i i am in uh tim um

2324
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:49,040
is kind enough to put my stories in his

2325
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:50,800
book but uh so the the

2326
01:24:54,550 --> 01:24:53,520
latest crypto book that [\h__\h] that uh tim

2327
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:54,560
mentioned

2328
01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:56,480
uh i'm in that and a couple of men in

2329
01:25:01,030 --> 01:24:58,800
black books um

2330
01:25:02,229 --> 01:25:01,040
tim what is the one that i can't think

2331
01:25:04,470 --> 01:25:02,239
of oh let me see

2332
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:04,480
well there's the uh curse of the men in

2333
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:05,280
black

2334
01:25:11,950 --> 01:25:08,560
one was the

2335
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:11,960
ufo silencers which was goes back to the

2336
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:14,080
1970s and then the curse of the men in

2337
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:15,280
black

2338
01:25:19,270 --> 01:25:18,080
our publishing company has about 250

2339
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:19,280
titles

2340
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:21,760
and covers everything you know in the

2341
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:23,760
paranormal new age alternative

2342
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:26,320
press uh if people would like to keep up

2343
01:25:31,950 --> 01:25:27,280
to date

2344
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:31,960
uh if you send me an email at mr ufo

2345
01:25:38,229 --> 01:25:35,440
mruf08 the number eight at hotmail.com

2346
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:38,239
i will put you on our mailing list send

2347
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:39,440
you our free

2348
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:42,239
uh magazine we actually print the uh a

2349
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:43,440
publication

2350
01:25:47,669 --> 01:25:46,080
conspiracy journal bizarre bizarre or

2351
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:47,679
you can just google me i mean that's

2352
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:48,960
you know like there's enough stuff to

2353
01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:51,520
keep you busy for uh for a hundred

2354
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:54,320
years uh tim beckley or timothy beckley

2355
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:56,960
you got my own page on amazon and uh

2356
01:26:00,070 --> 01:25:59,199
uh you know i'm i'm semi-retired but i

2357
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:00,080
still do four

2358
01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:03,040
new books a month so and uh i was in a

2359
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:04,800
couple of books by nick redfearn

2360
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:07,679
well that's right yeah nick has got a a

2361
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:08,960
book out on the women

2362
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:11,600
in black yeah we're going to have more

2363
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:12,880
than a week or two

2364
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:14,880
well i'm having him on exploring the

2365
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:16,000
bazaar

2366
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:19,679
with this a gal uh kate elizabeth

2367
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:23,040
who is the champion of a champ

2368
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:26,639
from lake champlain katie and i are very

2369
01:26:31,669 --> 01:26:29,920
very well i mean we're good friends well

2370
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:31,679
she was just on my program and made an

2371
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:33,040
excellent presentation

2372
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:35,760
so i thought i would have them on since

2373
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:37,760
she believes in the physical existence

2374
01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:38,639
of the

2375
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:43,120
of a supernatural type of

2376
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:45,520
guy and i thought well we'd like to keep

2377
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:47,199
just like you guys to keep the ball

2378
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:48,320
rolling for an hour

2379
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:51,760
or or or two no dead error unless skype

2380
01:26:56,149 --> 01:26:53,600
interferes

2381
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:56,159
absolutely there you go well we'd like

2382
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:58,400
to have both of you to come back once i

2383
01:27:02,790 --> 01:27:00,880
love to do it man you guys got a good

2384
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:02,800
hot program going here and

2385
01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:05,440
we know that bigfoot is listening in

2386
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:05,840
yeah

2387
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:09,280
really okay well thanks again and

2388
01:27:13,030 --> 01:27:12,239
we'll be in contact anytime thank you

2389
01:27:17,669 --> 01:27:13,040
very much

2390
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:17,679
have a good evening okay bye

2391
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:18,530
and skype

2392
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:26,709
so folks there you go that was uh

2393
01:27:30,149 --> 01:27:28,960
timothy beckley and claudia cunningham

2394
01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:30,159
joining us

2395
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:31,840
i don't know sean's still on here you

2396
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:33,280
still want her sean

2397
01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:35,840
i'm here somewhere there he is i'm still

2398
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:36,480
here

2399
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:41,199
board you know keeping things in order

2400
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:48,070
uh us been a real [\h__\h] tonight yeah it

2401
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:49,199
has been

2402
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:51,679
so next week we've got j michael long

2403
01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:53,199
joining us who's the screenwriter and

2404
01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:54,800
producer of uh

2405
01:28:01,830 --> 01:27:58,560
paranormal tv and films and uh

2406
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:01,840
and uh he's going to be joining us

2407
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:03,600
talking about some of the things he has

2408
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:04,480
done

2409
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:07,199
and doing so that'll be all very

2410
01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:09,120
interesting fantastic guy

2411
01:28:14,950 --> 01:28:12,639
we got ken gerhart and uh uh

2412
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:14,960
nick redfern joining us again the next

2413
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:15,679
few weeks

2414
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:18,400
and uh also linda gottfried's coming

2415
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:18,800
back

2416
01:28:23,910 --> 01:28:21,520
with us so we're gonna be talking about

2417
01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:23,920
a lot of different things a lot of new

2418
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:25,600
books have been out

2419
01:28:31,510 --> 01:28:29,040
so it'll be very good

2420
01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:31,520
well lon that was a good program yes it

2421
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:32,960
was it was very interesting

2422
01:28:36,229 --> 01:28:35,120
like to get them back on again yeah and

2423
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:36,239
like you said next week we're going to

2424
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:37,840
have my friend jay michael long on the

2425
01:28:40,790 --> 01:28:39,679
program now i met jay a few years ago

2426
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:40,800
well actually it's been about

2427
01:28:45,669 --> 01:28:43,920
a decade ago uh from our internet

2428
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:45,679
correspondent he interviewed me some

2429
01:28:51,669 --> 01:28:48,960
time ago on his program conundrums

2430
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:51,679
and i had a really good time uh it was a

2431
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:52,480
lot of fun

2432
01:28:58,950 --> 01:28:56,000
in fact my son never met him yeah i i i

2433
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:58,960
think we he he and i just uh had

2434
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:00,239
conversation on

2435
01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:03,600
facebook or whatever in the past but

2436
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:05,520
i don't think i've ever met him i've

2437
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:06,880
never met him either but it feels like

2438
01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:08,400
i've known him forever

2439
01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:11,600
oh so next week folks join us with j

2440
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:12,400
michael long

2441
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:15,199
and uh you all have a good week and i

2442
01:29:18,070 --> 01:29:16,800
hope you can join us

2443
01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:18,080
good night everybody take care of